In terms of talent/skills/ability who is better than Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

I rate Pacquaio over Chavez, both have different abilities, Pacquaio's just a force of nature and I reckon he would have taken him too

 

Did you think Pac took Juan Manuel Marquez? What does Marquez have that Chavez lacks? Other than a lesser jaw, lead right hand, left hook to the body and defense?

 

Both Close 1s, I had both by about a point to JMM, Marquez was a bad style for Pac though and a great fighter

Marquez has a better right than Chavez, better counterer for me, better jab, better 1-2. Chavez is far better inside, to the body, inside defense, guard, head movement

Bascially I don't think Chavez has the 1-2 and countering to keep Pacquaio at bay, Chavez is very very very (not sure I have enough very's) similar to Barrera, and we saw Pac had his number

 

Barrera tried to be like Chavez but didnt quite manage it & Chavez has a far better right than Marquez.

 

Barrera and Chavez similar? In what way?

Barrera is no where near as strong, has no where near the chin and nowhere near the ability to press a fight that Chavez has. Nor is he defensively as good.

As for Marquez being a better counterer, I'd probably accept that, but nothing else. He does not have a better jab or better 1-2's and their right hands are clearly distinguishable.

I may be alone on this, but I think Chavez would have a field day with Pac after about three or four rounds. Once he closes the distance Pac would get slaughtered.

 

Marquez right is faster, sharper, more natural and he steps into it better. But Chavez's right wasnt his strength

Prime Barrera is right up there with Chavez

 

Why isn't pac on chavez's level? Cuz he beat haugen, roger mayweather, past prime camacho and edwin rosario. The most overrated fighter ever. Chavez wouldnt toy with either floyd or pac, he loses to them.

He's maybe on azumah's level, lol. Nelson was always in the mid to bottom range of p4p lists. When was this guy a top 3 p4p fighter between 1984-1992, I have yet to see one magazine hold him in that high of a regard during his career.

 

Who gives a **** about p4p lists.

 

Whitaker used his defense to set up punches. Mayweather uses his defense to set up more defense.

That's the difference.

 

In blatant blatant style, go and watch them, watch their techniques, watch their left hooks, punch technique. I expect Barrera modeled himself on Chavez

What are you talking about Barrera is defensively excellent, Chavez is very good too, both have problems with speed.

Have you watched a 122lb Barrera? He always pressed a fight, watch the Mkkinney and Morales fights (and BillButcher wont agree but Barrera battered Morales in there first fight)

The 1-2, lead right and jab aren't Chavez's strengths at all, they are for Marquez and yes he does them better better. Now maybe Chavez had more power in it but in terms of precision punching from range. But Chavez is more of a left hooker anyway so thats not here or there

As for a match up, Pacquaio would do what Taylor did but with more venom. Marquez-Chavez is an interesting 1 at 130 and I'm not sure about it

 

He beat Meldrick Taylor too. And Rocky Lockridge, who imo is no worse a fighter than Juan Manuel Marquez. And Jose Luis Ramirez, who is about as good as Floyd's crowning achievement, Jose Luis Castillo. And a heap of others.

P4P rankings, especially when a fighter's career is in progress, are based on a lot of assumptions and a lot of hype. Just becuase Azumah Nelson didn't get ranked top three p4p and someone like Michael Nunn did am I to then to assume that Nunn was a better fighter? GTFO.

 

Chavez was much more a pressure fighter than Barrera who liked to mix it up at mid range more and fancied himself as a counter puncher at times too. Chavez ALWAYS applied a lot more pressure than Barrera. That is simply incontrovertible fact.

Barrera maybe wanted to do what Chavez did, but he did not have the strength or the ability to absorb punishment like Chavez did and was way more eager to back off than Chavez was.

As for Pac doing to Chavez what Taylor did what is that? Getting Ko'ed or throwing 1200 punches to keep him off?

 

Umm thats because he was a better counter puncher than Chavez and yes he did box more. He was faster than Chavez too. But Chavez was the better in fighter and was a more focused pressure fighter

We saw what Pac did to another pressure fighter in Hatton, pressure doesn't beat Pac at 126-140, I'm not even sure I fancy Pryor against Pac. Anyone that comes to Pac is getting beat to the punch with big power shots

 

He beat Meldrick Taylor for 2 seconds in a fight that would have been awarded to taylor, hardly something to be proud of. He barely squeezed by rocky lockridge and people think he lost that fight.

Nunn has far more skill than nelson could dream of, not his fault he lost to toney. Who did nelson beat as good as toney? O wait the bantamweight fenech schooled him. Resume wise Nunn has wins over barkley, kalambay, tate, roldan, curry and starling. Nelson's wins resume isnt that much better, please. Overrate him to pump up whitaker's accomplishments.

Pac beat ledwaba, sasakul, larios, de la hoya, hatton, barrerra, morales twice, marquez. No doubt his resume is better.

 

Nunn was high in in the pfp when he had only beaten Frank Tate though.