In terms of talent/skills/ability who is better than Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Chavez was simply more effective than Barrera at doing what he did, making him a better fighter. Barrera did some things better than Chavez sure, but overall, Chavez was the harder to beat.

As for Hatton/Chavez comparisons, well, Chavez knew how to block a punch with something other than his head, so he might fair a little better than Hatton did. Seeing how Marquez hurt Pac, I say if Chavez gets Pac into the later rounds (which he will) he will crush him.

I think Pac is getting way too hyped based on his performances against Hatton and DLH. He didn't take a punch in either. If he gets hit in return i think we will find out he is not as good as people are claiming, especially at these weights he's fighting at.

I still think Pac was at his most effective (albeit not most well rounded) at 126 where physically he was a monster.

 

I agree,Pac probably wouldn't even have moved up to lightweight and beyond if there were champions like Duran,Napoles or Chavez around as hte dominant men.


Still, i'm glad he has.

 

It is when you consider that Taylor fought one of the best fights of the decade. Taylor was simply superb, and yet Chavez found a way to win despite the trouble he was having. There is no fighter today that could replicate what Taylor did to Chavez, not even close to one.

Like who? That decision was a clear Chavez win. Close yes, but clear.

Nunn did have more skill, so? Did he have a greater will to win? A better chin? More power? More strength? More stamina? A p4p equivalent of Nelson would have raped Nunn and I would put my house on it. Nunn got the boxing scribes hard because they were looking for the next Ray Leonard and he had elements of Ray in him, but he fell far short of the hype he created.

When you factor in that he arguably lost to Marquez twice, as well as losing to Morales (before beating a past prime one), as well as the fact that DLH was a diuretic-****ed zombie when they fought, it's not THAT great a resume. Even if I concede his resume is better though, it does not stop me from thinking that he is on Nelson's level as far as h2h potential goes.

 

Yeah... I can possibly see him moving up against a Camacho or Whitaker type, where the likelihood would be that he doesn't get hurt, but I doubt his handlers would let him near a Duran, Napoles, Pryor, Chavez type.

 

Chavez isnt in the same class as Duran and Mantequilla imo and he probably would move up but close to those 2 but beating Chavez. He has take on the biggest challenges for the main part, moved up to face Barrera, moved up to face Morales, moved up to face Hatton

 

1. I'm not convinced chavez was better than Barrera, he also had weaker, less challenging competition than MAB imo

2. Chavez wasn't blocking much against Taylor and Pacquaio if anything is faster and a sharper bigger puncher. Chavez hasn't got Marquez's long range/coutering ability

3. Your critisising Pac for not getting hit against Hatton and DLH? Isn't that an achievement in itself? His chin is just fine, yes JMM did hurt him but Chavez was hurt at times in his career too

4. Disagree Pac is proving his body can add muscle and strength very very effectively while not losing any speed. Obviously there is a limit to that but 140 looks a very good weight for him and the manner of the Hatton win was just shockingly good

 

1. I totally disagree, chavez was a far superior fighter to barrera, better chin, far better on the inside, as effective from distance, better defence. His competition is better too IMO, lockridge, la porte, rosario, ramirez, taylor, camacho is a far deeper resume than morales, hamed, mckinney and sanchez.

2. Pacquiao isn't faster than taylor, certainly not at 140, not particualy close.

3. I agree that not getting hit should be classed an achievment, there still has to be a question mark on pacs chin at higher weights though as he aint been hit enough to judge one way or another

4. 140 seems to be a good weight for pac but he is quite small for the weight, he's certainly a far more complete fighter now than earlier in his career so it may well be in time judged as his best weight

 

I pretty much agree with Steve's points but to add some things:

Chavez got hit plenty by Taylor yes, but Pac would not throw punches in bunches like Meldrick did. Against one-two's Chavez was pretty good at blocking them. When you have a guy in front of you launching 4-5 punches per second in combination though, throwing 100 punches per round, of course you're going to get hit plenty.

As for Chavez being hurt some times in his career, like when? When did he wobble like Pac did? Certainly not in his prime. Chavez took everything with ease in his prime, against much bigger hitters than Marquez. If Marquez can hurt Pac you've got to question whether he can take what Chavez can give him becuase it's going to be coming from a naturally bigger guy (not to mention just a flat out more accurate puncher).

 

You dont think there is a fighter today that can beat chavez because you're blind, that's all.

Not that great of a resume, haha better than chavez's. Chavez lost both times to randall, he really lost to meldrick, and he arguably lost to laporte too. Its funny how you mention his resume isnt that impressive cuz he arguably lost to that guy or this guy, lol when the **** has chavez ever faced the competition level that pac has been fighting for the past 6 years? No he was too buys beating up on taxi drivers before getting exposed by whitaker and taylor.

 

Marquez has a much better argument for beating Pac than what Laporte does for beating Chavez. It's rare to find someone that thinks Laporte won that fight. Not so with Pac-Marquez, where most thought Marquez won at least one of their fights.

Nice try pulling the Randall fights out, but most acknowledge he was on the slide by then, hardly indicative of his prime efforts, unlike the Marquez/Morales fights for Pac.

I'm happy to admit the Taylor fight was controversial, but at the end of the day, Chavez had Taylor in a really bad way in that fight. If he got a few more seconds to land one more blow Taylor could possibly not be with us today. If he had three more rounds, there's no controversy in the outcome.

I don't see what makes Pac's level of competition better than Chavez's. Morales was no better than a guy like Edwin Rosario when Pac beat him the first time around. Not a significant win the second time round. Marquez no better than a Lockridge. Barrera no better than a Taylor (not even as good imo in terms of ability at the time they fought their respective fights). DLH was about akin to Camacho, and that's being generous to Pac because DLH was finished. Hatton was no better than a Roger Mayweather either I don't reckon when he fought Pac. I'd give Rog a good shake at knocking that Hatton out.

 

Floyd at 130 seemed to be a special fighter. Since then he hasn't been too impressive in my eyes, at least not to the degree many claim, or in comparison to the best I've seen. There have been many fighters I've been more impressed with than Floyd in his post-130 pound days. Then again I'm not entirely sure he was all that much better at 130, it could've just been made to look that way due to his lack of competition in comparison to what he faced at higher weights. Either way, I think there have been quite a few fighters who've had more impressive skill-sets (or at least certain aesthetic qualities stylistically) than Floyd, who is ultimately overrated IMO.

 

Leonard was at least 10 times the fighter

A prime Chavez had the ability at 133-140 to make the talented look not so talented so it could have been possible

Ricardo Lopez definitely more talented

Napoles was more talented--I wish it would have been possible for him and Leonard to fight

A prime Oscar would have schooled him as he could barely beat an aging Oscar

 

I forget Whitaker was better than him as well...Pernell is forgotten what a crime!

 

Jose Napoles would have put Floyd on his ass.

 

Chavez is nowhere near the pure boxer that Barrera could be from time to time. I'm talking about proper stand off boxing behind the jab. Similar to how Barrera fought Hamed and others. I think Barrera was a far more multi-dimensional fighter within the ropes. Far better on the move, more elasticated, and just a better boxer. Chavez IMO was a more consistent and better pressure fighter.