In the end it's still too little too late for Calzaghe...

OK here it is. I for one totally disregarded JC's boxing skills. I still do. But, as he recently stated, he has his own style. We have got to start respecting that. Yeah you're right, there is a question because of the Hopkins fight. But, were he to go back and beat Hopkins, then there would be no question. He was given a decision over Hopkins behind Bernard's decision to try to be this technical fighter. Technique only scores points in gymnastics. For JC to beat a WORLD CLASS BOXER using amateur skills of out-pointing your man with ineffective "punch bunching" proves one thing, SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO GO FOR IT AND THE ODDS BE DAMNED. He is not the P4P king, sorry, but I'm sure HBO will make sure he is recognized as such. He should retire since I hear Chad Dawson is calling. That kid has skill plus aggression, those two combinations are what did in Tyson against Buster and Holyfield. So Joe, from one of your staunchest critics, retire as "THE LEGEND OF JOE CALZAGHE"

 

Why does Joe get blamed for not fighting Bernard sooner. There was never any real interest in that fight. Bernard was focused on racking up middleweight defenses and showed absolutly no interest in moving up in weight until much too late in his career. Ironically the same people that think that it was o.k for Bernard to stay at middle instead of moving up to make a case for the fight with Joe will turn around and saythat Joe should have moved up in weight to chase Jones. The double standards around here are so blatant.

 

It would have allowed for him to setup the right better and place his punches correctly. I take nothing away from Joe. He may have won anyway. The fight was awesome and fun to watch. Joe is a class act and did things to Roy that NO ONE has ever done.

 

I wish he had fought Bhop and Jones in there primes. I think Calzaghe loses both fights, but he would be competitive.

I actually think fighting these guys at the end of their careers enhances his legacy, as he is undefeated. Certainly if he'd fought hopkins toney jones in the nineties he'd have lost a couple IMO

 

Complete tosh. Joe`s record will say 46-0.

 

thats just stupid RJJ is not much older than Joe

 

He's an old fighter though, where as Joe still looks fresh. Age hits fighters at different times, and Roy was always heavily reliant on his super human reflexes and speed.

 

That left bicep rupture isn't new, and it isn't all that uncommon or damaging. My brother has it and he's able to move, lift weights and box just as well as with his other arm. Looks worse than it is.

The bicep is made of of two muscles. What happens is that, usually during a workout or training, one on the two separates either from the shoulder or elbow and retracts slightly leaving a bulging "golfball" or "popeye" appearance. In many cases as sports doctor will advise against operating, especially if the movement and strength reletively unaffected. That's what happened in my brothers case.

True there are some ruptures that cause pain and cripple the arm, but those are severe cases and don't seem at all to be the case with Roy. He's had that for a while.

 

Vargas is 30 or so, and he is completely shot. RJJ had a tougher road than Calz, therefore aged faster as a fighter.

 

Joe would continue what he started around round 4 of their first fight and completely outbox and befuddle BHop. There's no way they should fight again.

You can't have it both ways. Even if you thought BHop won, which he clearly did not, he would have won the slimmest of decisions. Now that we see how great BHop is with his beating Pavlik so easily, that means Joe is at least about on a par with BHop. So you have to give him credit. Also, he did not just beat Jones, he completely outboxed Jones and won almost every round.

Also, is there any doubt whether Calzaghe could beat Pavlik? Everyone was saying he was chicken to fight Pavlik, but Joe was right. Pavlik would have been no match for him.

 

I think it's about time the americans understand there place, i'm fed up with them dissing european fighters as over - hyped inanity's.

After Oleg maskeav Knocked - out Hasim Rahman he made a great statement, "the MESSAGE is out europeans are tough!" The truth is we dont care, if a guy comes in giving it the biggen - we will smash you're face in. I look forward to hattons next fight, lol.

 

Nice points, well made but why exactly were they directed at me?

 

All those mentioning Joe should have fought RJJ and Bhop in their prime are forgetting that Joe is not in his prime, he is almost 37.. only three years difference.

This anti-calzaghe stuff is just blind patriotism from bruised egos.

 

Actually Calzaghe outworked a completely shot RJJ. RJJ is far removed from being the fighter that got KTFO by out Johnson, let alone the one that beat Ruiz. He's been shot and couldn't pull the trigger at all. Calzaghe gave him tons of opening, but RJJ simply couldn't throw, much like Holyfield can no longer throw punches. The body looks to be in the shape, but the reflexes are NOT there anymore.

As for Calzaghe beating Pavlik, sorry but styles make fights and and his style is completely different than Hopkins. Taylor beat Hopkins, Pavlik beats Taylor, so Pavlik should be able to beat Hopkins based on your logic, but styles make fights. Calzaghe doesn't beat Pavlik just because Hopkins did, that's not how boxing works.

Calzaghe is a swarmer who typically throws 80+ punches a round. Pavlik is the same but hits harder. Obviously you would have to favor Calzaghe, but stylistically Pavlik is a tough match up for Calzaghe and he doesn't necessarily beat him because Hopkins did.

Duran gave Hagler all he could handle, whereas Hearns obliterated Duran, so one would assume (based on your logic) that Hearns would own Hagler, yet the opposite was true. Hagler obliterated Hearns, because styles make fights.

As for Hopkins - Calzaghe. Hopkins won that fight, Calzaghe got the decision, a very controversial one at that. Hopkins would win the rematch as he would devise a different game plan, and based on his last fight, would most likely be more aggressive. It's the logical fight (or a rematch with Kessler), a big rematch in Wales.

 

jones, hopkins, and toney dodged benn, eubank, and calzaghe all these years. they never came to england to fight the best, instead they stayed at home and built there reputation fighting american bums.

if they had come to britain and fought benn, eubank, or calzaghe they would have got there arrogant arses kicked all the way back over the atlantic.