In the history of boxing, this is the first time that I can remember a fighter.....

Again, why not? Lewis-Dixon/Ruddock? Vitali-Arreola/Johnson? Holyfield-Williams/Nielsen? Haye won't even give him the opportunity. Wlad says he can do it and there's no reason to believe he can't, Haye is using it as an opportunity to back out.

 

again, lewis-dixon was 11 weeks before the rudduck fight. and vitali arranged johnson after he already beat arreola. he didnt schedule both fights at the same time.

i think we'll just have to agree to disagree tommy. i dont think haye is using this as an excuse to back out. he bitched out twice before but this time i dont think he is. else why would he have agreed to all terms of the contract? he could have just continued with his stupid excuse from last time, the tv money issue.

 

Who gives a ****? Haye should keep the date. The only legit concern is Wlad being injured or cut in the fight w/ Chisora. If Wlad leaves the fight unscathed (when's the last time he was even bruised?) then there's nothing for Haye to worry about.

 

11 weeks, 9 weeks. They are still similar time-frames and they are both workable. And yes, so what if Vitali arranged the Johnson fight after Arreola? That makes no difference. They probably want to tie up the July date now because Haye can't be trusted and he'll probably go and around a date with Chagaev instead. They probably want longer than 8 weeks to promote the fight aswell, and don't want to have to sit down and go through a long, drawn out negotiation process [in which Haye will probably change his demands again] in the weeks when they could and should be preparing for the fight.

 

yes but where does that leave haye?

he now has to find an opponent, for say march time. promote it, have training camp everything. i doubt haye would want to fight late april then july 2nd. and WHY SHOULD he have to?! the 2nd july fight would have left both fighters in the same boat or inactivity. haye would have had 3 rounds in like a year.

your all making out like it aint no thing for haye to arrange a fight then fight wlad on july 2nd. its already january dont forget. its unrealistic to be able2 schedule promote and train for a fight as early as march. so haye's only option is fighting in april now, which im sure he doesnt want to do as its too close to the july 2nd date! even april will be hard for haye considering training camp is around 10 weeks and he hasnt got an opponent yet.

 

come on people wlad knew very well haye cannot fight until may/june! so its not as easy as saying ''haye should just agree to fight chagaev then fight wlad on july 2nd''. i dont like haye but in this case i cant see where its haye's fault

 

Considering the history then, perhaps it would have been better if they fought now rather than later.

 

Absolutely not. The difference in 11 weeks and 9 is huge, really. It's the difference between a week or two off from any training and being in the gym constantly for 18-20 weeks. That's enormous.

On it's own, yeah, the difference isn't huge and a fighter who usually has a 11 week camp could almost certainly have a 9 week camp and see no significant changes. However, when yuo consider that there would be two camps without any break, then there would be overtraining, without questions.

Again, I mentioned in a another post what Manny Steward had said. He mentioned Hearns overtraining for the Leonard fight and he mentions how a week or two can have messive effects on a fighter. We can't assume that Wlad would get in perfect shape for Chisora, training for another 8 or 9 weeks, and be in shape against Haye. It just wouldn't happen. I honestly don't think Steward would allow Wlad to do that either.

 

At some point before this all came out, Haye's team and Wlad's would have been talking and Wlad would have been aware that a June 2nd fight may not go ahead, if he chose to fight Chisora so close to the time, so what I really don't understand is why he went ahead with it. Regardless of whether you think Haye is right or Wlad is, there was a simple choice to be made and Wlad chose to fight Chisora and inevitably put the Haye fight in jeopardy. Why? He's been inactive for 9 months before, the last time he had an injury, and could do so again. If he did want to have a fight in between, why not an exhibition or a a fight a German Chisora equivalent in March/early April that would wouldn't be shown on British TV?

It just seems like such a stupid thing to let the fight fall apart over. We may not get Wlad/Haye because Wlad was insistent on fighting Chisora. That's bull****.

 

:deal NONE of which is any of Hayes bussiness anyway.

If Wlad says he will destroy Haye in July then he will. Haye is making an issue out of something that should not be an issue.

David Haye does NOT want this fight whatsoever. ANY excuse to get out and he will...and he has.

 

What is your problem w/ this?

No one is making Haye fight a tune up. If Wlad wants to fight a tune up, that doesn't mean Haye has to. You're making sound like a tune-up is give Wlad an unfair advantage.

And if Wlad gets hurt... so what? You think any of the non-beltholders wouldn't jump at the chance to fight Haye? All he has to do is have a backup ready by telling Fighter A "don't schedule a fight b/c I might need you for July."

And two months away from a fight is when most big fights start getting promoted anyway, so Haye wouldn't be missing out on anything anyway. When do you think they'd even start promoting Wlad vs Haye anyway? End of April. Just like they'll do for whatever fight Haye should have as a backup if Wlad gets injured.

And the training camp is a non-issue b/c he should already have it underway to prepare for Wlad or TBA.

 

It's become uncommon in this era of fighting every 6 months but this is a long, long, long, long, long way from the first time a guy had 2 fights scheduled 2 or 3 months from each other. Since one is a complete gimme I don't see what the problem is.