In the last 30 years- p4p whose better than Sugar Ray Leonard

Calzaghe is underrated, even by ChinaHand, but you're laying it on a little thick.

RJJ, though was better in nearly every category.

 

The surgeon General should put warnings on crack-pipes !

 

In the past 30 years, a lot of fighters, P4P, were better than Joe Calzaghe

 

Not that many.

He makes my top 10. (of last 30 years, that is)

 

im new 2 this discussion stuff...u R fkn jokin rnt u?

 

i meant the guy who said joe.c...

 

Some of you are over rating SLL suppossed success over great compitition. He beat Duran in a somewhat suspicious fight after he already lost to him. He beat Hagler when Hagler was old, in Haglers SIXTY SEVENTH fight, and again a very unimpressive questionable win. He drew with Hearns in their second fight and has since admitted that he should have lost the decision. His two major conclusive victories over top oppenents were the first Hearns fight (he was awesome in this one-just awesome) and the Benitez fight.

 

Which concept amused you? And why?

 

He holds legit wins over Duran, Hearns and Benitez. And even though I thought Haggler edged him, he was a welterwt fighting at middlewt and aquitted himself well.

Overall, a legend and an ATG.

 

RJJ has wins over BHop (generally the same as Haggler, and the margin was much clearer), Toney (as good as Benitez), and Ruiz (he was a heavy, 70 lbs heavier than Roy' starting wt, and a conqueror of heavywt HOFer, Holyfield).

He generally disposed of his opponents much more decisively and was overall, a better athlete.

He was the best of the past 30 years. (Other possibles: SRL, Sweetpea, Floyd)

 

And look how many people jump on you. "Look at Calzaghe's resume!" "There are no americans on it!" "All those fighters are ****, they lost to Joe Calzaghe". Who cares about resumes really? Calzaghe would be the best even if he'd fought Eric Crumble 40 times because of his ability. Calzaghe may not be the greatest (which is determined by resume) but he arguably is the best (determined by ability and skill).

 

Jones win over Ruiz is no better then SRL over Lalonde

SRL beat 4 all time greats at the pinncale of their careers. Wilfredo and

Hearns had never lost and Duran and Hagler had gone 10 years without a loss

Nobody knew who Hopkins was when Jones beat him and some people

don't have Toney in their top 50 all-time.

 

Compare Leonard's and Roy Jones Resume. No way can Glass Jaw Roy Jones be compared to Leonard P4P. The competition level is like night and day. Leonard would knock Roy Jones out.

 

RJJ resume is nowhere near as good as SRLs

if you dismiss Calzaghe based on his legacy you must dismiss china chops Jones

the same goes for Mayweather

in all honesty i think only Duran really matches up to Leonard...although i wouldn't totally dimiss Whittaker offhand either.

 

Hagler is close but fact is, Hagler made his name beating up ATG's who were naturally smaller than him. SRL made his name beating up ATG's his size, smaller and above. On top of that he did beat Hagler though that fight could have been scored either way. Also I think staying in your own weight class is easier than moving up to seek the best on that division. What SRL did moving up to MW to beat ATG Hagler would be simmilar to Hagler moving up to LHW and beating RJJ(if they were from same era). Certainly very impressive.