In the last 30 years- p4p whose better than Sugar Ray Leonard

See, that's a trash response. How can you say... "Floyd can't do anything at this point to ever surpass Leonard." This is just crazy. You are putting Leonard on a pedastal that can't be reached, and that's wrong.

Also, what makes Ray tougher than Floyd? When did Floyd buckle under the pressure? I don't see where you get that statement. Yes, Ray is tough mentally, but nothing tells me that he is tougher.

 

I agree.

 

roy jones jr is the best in the past 30
duran
mayweather jr

 

I agree here
I would rock with RJ, be4 his KO losses, that man did his thing in a boxing ring. And did it like no other bar none

 

Like Ali, and Holmes (and some others) I would not count Roy's career much after Ruiz.

He went on too long. Some boxers get addicted to the whole hoopla.


I don't count Holmes losses after his middleaged comeback against him in his legacy. I count what he did up to Spinks 2 , which, IMO he won.

(He lost the first time though and he probably lost to Witherspoon)

Likewise, I don't count Ali's last two fights. He was a goner by then, old and disabled.

Stil, I rank Ali 1 and Holmes 5 or 6 alltime.


With Roy, he reached his pinnacle with his capture of a piece of the heavywt title over Evander-conqueror, John Ruiz.

Put that together with all that he achieved previously, and I think his accomplishments stack up against anyone in the past 30 years.

In terms of boxing ability, he ranks as the best of that period.

 

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de la Hoya was the finest fighter of the 90s

Chavez's career was better than Whitaker's, there were far more career defining fights for Chavez, and overall better quality.

Just take there own fight, Chavez was fighting near prime Whitaker, but Whitaker was fighting a Chavez six years and 10+lbs past his best.

 

Yes, he was three years past his best in 1990. Chavez was never quite the same fighter after Rosario.

 

He peaked against Rosario, and even the 1988 Aguilar and Ramirez fights showed a dip in performance, and that hurt him even more when he had the Mayweather rematch in 89, where he had to battle, yet three years earlier he was blowing Mayweather out in a couple of rounds.

Mayweather had improved in them three years, but even the 85/86 version decked Whitaker

 

No you did not mean this?! :rofl

 

Chavez was a phenom no doubt, but that does not hide the fact he was six years past his peak (prime) performance, and yet was still the best fighter in the world!

Great fighters can substain excellent performances when way past their best, look at the Motor City Cobra hand Hill a boxing lessom in 1991, but no one for one second, mistook that Hearns for the 83/84 vintage, indeed Hearns demolition of Maynard put a chill though me, and that was what 94?

Chavez was the same, yes he seemed to roll back the years against Haugan or Camacho, but there was enough evidence (Taylor, Fuentas, Ramirez) to know Chavez had peaked and was on the way down.

 

atsch You never know on this forum, Sweet.

 

You're right, great fighters can sustain their excellence when past their best. Take Whitaker for example, he was four years past his peak performance against Jose Luis Ramirez, and still put a whooping on Julio Cesar Chavez :good

 

And Chavez was so good, he took a whooping off a great fighter like Whitaker and still get a draw; hell even fooled us into believing he was unbeaten when he lost his 12th bout, the man had stroke!