In the list of the best HWs ever Usyk will be able to get 8th maximum

And losses, with the exception of Marciano. Losses matter.

 

Neither was 35 year old Norton--Holmes' best opponent and title victory.

 

With the exception of Moorer, Bowe, and maybe Mercer, all of those guys listed s Holyfield wins were past their best (or in Douglas' case, disgustingly fat).

And Holy had losses.

And let's not forget Evan Fields, which is ALWAYS going to be a thing.

Holy's record has context.

 

We are still trolling? Lol

 

Usyk has only had barely over 20 professional fights and only 6 fights at Heavyweight.

If Usyk was fighting consistently 2 or 3 ranked fighters a year in 12 and 15 round championship fights I'm sure he would have a few losses aswell.

 

Usyk's best win at Heavyweight Fury was also past his prime hes 35 and was coming off the worst performance of his career what's the difference ? I will be fair and say Usyk is also past his prime aswell but still you can discredit anyone's resume.

Holyfield still has many more quality wins than Usyk at Heavyweight I don't see that theres any debate of Usyk being rated above Holyfield at Heavyweight it's quite apparent to me Holyfield has a significantly better resume than Usyk.

 

To who? Joshua? Fury? He beat them.

Wilder? I am laughing.

 

Mitigated by the fact that Usyk is older than he is.

Context. Context.

 

I'm talking about in general if Usyk was put in a different era and was consistently fighting world class opposition over many years fighting 2 or 3 times a year in championship fights.

You're discrediting fighters with losses who have double and triple the amount of professional fights that Usyk has had.

 

I already mentioned Usyk is past his prime but Fury is also past his prime. If you're discrediting Holyfield's wins as past their prime then if you want the full context with no bias then it's fair to say Fury is also past his prime.

 

By who? If you think someone would have beaten Usyk, name the guy. I say no such man fights in this era. He beat his two rivals...no one else is even in his league.

Wilder? Joyce? Parker?

Name him.

It is a testament to Usyk's greatness that he unified two divisions in 22 fights.

 

But Holy was in his prime when he beat most of these guys. He was past it for Tyson, but Tyson was a drug and alcohol addicted wreck.

Again, the context of things brings his record way down.

And there the PEDs and losses.

 

Usyk won't be high on the achievement list at heavy but at h2h he is imo top 3.
He is the goat at cruiser and imo talent and h2h wise top 3 at heavy all time.

No one had ever to overcome such size proportions like usyk. He even destroyed the myth about super heavys that are not beatable against smaller guys.

Usyk is imo in the top 10 p4p of all time

All haily to usyk the cossack soul taker

 

Fans are kind of insufferable.

Getting undisputed was super important. Made a big ol fuss about it and Lennox having touched undisputed for a very short stint became his catch phrase. It was so, so, so important to get undisputed once he got it y'all immediately start ranking him over multiple times undisputed champions and undisputed champions who have record defenses as undisputed.

Which really puts a stamp on the importance of that title.

Like how size dictated who wins h2hs until Fury got dismantled by a guy who weighs 60lbs less. Now it's fair game again. Really drive home the importance of size.


What it does put on full display is the effort put into these sort of thoughts.


Physics? Biology? Bah, who needs them when you can justify every stance by vicarious projection of in-ring actions and flop by way of troll?

 

My view on this is there is a big difference looking at ATG lists with a H2H or 'skills' lens, vs looking at resume.

Usyk can't possibly be in contention for HW ATG Top 10 based on resume as his is not deep enough compared to the current top concensus 20.

However if you look at H2H / skills it's a different proposition. Usyk is a really tough night for any HW in history, and that's even just the HW Usyk that beat Joshua and Fury, never mind the prime Usyk vs Gassiev.

So I can see a case for Usyk in Top 10 HW lists based on H2H and overall skills (Top Trumps style), but when resume is brought in he drops down a fair bit having only 6 fights and not enough time or dance partners to elevate it any further.