In the list of the best HWs ever Usyk will be able to get 8th maximum

The problem that I have with this is that in saying he is "p4p," we have to admit that Uysk is bigger and with a heavier fighting weight than great heavies like Louis, Marciano, Liston and Frazier, the average weight of his quality opponents is bigger than these guys, and his heavyweight title fights are against guys that dwarf the guys they fought, unless you want to count Buddy Baer.

So, what does "p4p" mean? P4P is a metric by which you judge the accomplishments of a little man against a big man--in these comparison, Usyk IS the big man.

I am an asterix guy. If you have to say that Uysk is great "P4P," i'll take it. But really, he is someone in the heavyweight top ten with an asterix by his name that says that he just does not fit comfortably any way you slice it. The eras are just too different.

 

And losses, with the exception of Marciano. Losses matter.

 

Neither was 35 year old Norton--Holmes' best opponent and title victory.

 

With the exception of Moorer, Bowe, and maybe Mercer, all of those guys listed s Holyfield wins were past their best (or in Douglas' case, disgustingly fat).

And Holy had losses.

And let's not forget Evan Fields, which is ALWAYS going to be a thing.

Holy's record has context.

 

We are still trolling? Lol

 

Usyk has only had barely over 20 professional fights and only 6 fights at Heavyweight.

If Usyk was fighting consistently 2 or 3 ranked fighters a year in 12 and 15 round championship fights I'm sure he would have a few losses aswell.

 

Usyk's best win at Heavyweight Fury was also past his prime hes 35 and was coming off the worst performance of his career what's the difference ? I will be fair and say Usyk is also past his prime aswell but still you can discredit anyone's resume.

Holyfield still has many more quality wins than Usyk at Heavyweight I don't see that theres any debate of Usyk being rated above Holyfield at Heavyweight it's quite apparent to me Holyfield has a significantly better resume than Usyk.

 

To who? Joshua? Fury? He beat them.

Wilder? I am laughing.

 

Mitigated by the fact that Usyk is older than he is.

Context. Context.

 

I'm talking about in general if Usyk was put in a different era and was consistently fighting world class opposition over many years fighting 2 or 3 times a year in championship fights.

You're discrediting fighters with losses who have double and triple the amount of professional fights that Usyk has had.

 

I already mentioned Usyk is past his prime but Fury is also past his prime. If you're discrediting Holyfield's wins as past their prime then if you want the full context with no bias then it's fair to say Fury is also past his prime.

 

By who? If you think someone would have beaten Usyk, name the guy. I say no such man fights in this era. He beat his two rivals...no one else is even in his league.

Wilder? Joyce? Parker?

Name him.

It is a testament to Usyk's greatness that he unified two divisions in 22 fights.

 

But Holy was in his prime when he beat most of these guys. He was past it for Tyson, but Tyson was a drug and alcohol addicted wreck.

Again, the context of things brings his record way down.

And there the PEDs and losses.

 

Usyk won't be high on the achievement list at heavy but at h2h he is imo top 3.
He is the goat at cruiser and imo talent and h2h wise top 3 at heavy all time.

No one had ever to overcome such size proportions like usyk. He even destroyed the myth about super heavys that are not beatable against smaller guys.

Usyk is imo in the top 10 p4p of all time

All haily to usyk the cossack soul taker

 

Fans are kind of insufferable.

Getting undisputed was super important. Made a big ol fuss about it and Lennox having touched undisputed for a very short stint became his catch phrase. It was so, so, so important to get undisputed once he got it y'all immediately start ranking him over multiple times undisputed champions and undisputed champions who have record defenses as undisputed.

Which really puts a stamp on the importance of that title.

Like how size dictated who wins h2hs until Fury got dismantled by a guy who weighs 60lbs less. Now it's fair game again. Really drive home the importance of size.


What it does put on full display is the effort put into these sort of thoughts.


Physics? Biology? Bah, who needs them when you can justify every stance by vicarious projection of in-ring actions and flop by way of troll?