In Their First 10 Pro Fights, Who's Been More Impressive? Vasyl or Floyd?

Thanks man. And yes, those Mayweather apologists really need to wake up and smell the Folger's Crystals with regard to this topic.

Interestingly, I'm currently leafing through a magazine which has fight reports on all of Floyd's first 45 pro fights (concluding with Canelo). So the following should further flesh out those bare numbers:

In the entry for Floyd's 9th pro fight, against Jesus Chavez (1-13-1 at the time of fighting), it reads "Another of Bob Arum's glittering prospects, Floyd Mayweather (130.5 lbs), of Las Vegas had a surprisingly tough time with rugged lefty Jesus Chavez before a right lead - left hook combination sent him down in the fifth. Mayweather, now 9-0 (7), cautiously probed the Mexican with his jab in the first, but Chavez gamely slung back some long, wide punches."

To put that into some sort of perspective and to attempt to draw a parallel, that would be like Vasyl Lomachenko having a tough time with, say, Jason Sosa, while not necessarily losing rounds but having a tough time in dissuading Sosa's smothering and uncompromising pressure, before breaking Sosa down and stopping him mid-fight.

The reality, of course, is that Loma controlled the fight with Sosa from start to finish, outboxed him, clowned him a little, gradually broke him down, then poured it on Sosa mid-rounds, which resulted in Sosa's corner pulling him out of the fight.

 

You would hope that someone with over 400+ amateur matches would be better prepared for the pros than a boxer with only 92 matches no?

 

Lol, they like to shift the goalposts and have it whichever way suits their argument and agenda.

Fact is, Loma could've turned pro in mid 2009 -- after he won a gold medal the 2008 Olympics -- had the same promtional offers and been on the same career trajectory right off the bat. Imagine how much more stacked his pro ledger could be, had he chosen to turn pro four years before he actually did?

If we're to induge the "I want to have my cake and eat it" mentality of the deluded Floyd fans with clear agendas, it's not as if Floyd spent his entire amateur career fighting complete scrubs: he won three national Golden Gloves titles and a bronze medal at the 1996 Olympic Games, for crying out loud.

 

I assume the flag in question was a Canadian national flag and not a province of Ontario flag which still would not have been a "Toronto flag" Floyd. LOL

Floyd really is painfully stupid!

 

Yeah, let's just ignore 10 year age, and 300 fight experience difference...

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Pep, Salvidar, Sanchez, Pedroza, Hamed, Kaplan, Lopez, Kaplan, Griffo, Dixon for sure. all did their best business at featherweight or below. Since these guys didn't fight all that much from 126-130, it's difficult to rate just how effective they would have been at the weight.

Among the guys who weren't champs at the weight, the one that stands out is Armstrong, simply because he was so freaking dominant and rendered an established division completely irrelevant for close to two decades.

Nelson was past his best for sure, but he was still coming off stoppages over Gabe Ruelas and James Leija, who were both pretty solid fighters at the weight. Plus, the way Genero won (passing up an opportunity to win on a foul and boxing his way to victory after getting clocked by an illegal punch to the throat) was pretty legendary.

Chicanito was legit.

He probably doesn't rate as high as Arguello and JCC, who are top 5 at the weight. But he's very much in the discussion for the lower part of the Top 10, along with guys like Mitchell and Escalera.

 

Neither way is really "fair" but it's false equivalence to equate Loma's first years and Floyd's due to their maturity and experience.

 

Which is why I told you to read post #6... Go read that, thanks.

 

Loma has two titles, but currently has no victories over a divisional number one. Floyd had already beaten the top two contenders at 130lbs, along with a trio of serviceable conteders (most notably Goyo Vargas) by that point. Kinda evens out.

 

Loma beat GRJ for a vacant title and Russell is the best fighter that he has fought so far. He won a title from Martinez who had a belt but was by no means a world class talent or champion. Every other fighter he beat was actually in the B league. Don't even try and mention that sell out artist Axe man. He sold out at the weigh in. Loma's resume don't speak volumes. Not to mention the fact that he had very close to 400 amateur fights before he turned pro and the reason for that is because they didn't have an established pro circuit. All fights were considered amateur fights but they were not really amateurs. When he arrived here, he was already a professional fighter, just not on paper. Floyd was truly an amateur when he turned pro so trying to compare the two at that juncture is ridiculous. Compare them at their ages. By age 29 Floyd had won at least five titles. To be honest, that's not a fair comparison either because Floyd was in our professional ranks before Loma. The reason I say that Floyd is a level above Loma is because Floyd has answered all the questions and Loma hasn't. And he has answered them emphatically.

 

Nowhere in your quoted post to me did you mention a post #6.

 

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