IN THEORY, is it better to dominate 1 division, or win titles at multiple divisions?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Aug 13, 2008.


  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    ***THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR ARGUING ABOUT SPECIFIC FIGHTERS AND THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS***

    It is to find out what the majority opinion is regarding which is the greater feat, dominating 1 weight division for a long time, or rising up through the divisions winning titles.

    OF COURSE THEY ARE BOTH GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE A THEORETICAL OPINION ABOUT WHICH IS GREATER, THEN PLEASE POST...

    Example:

    - Fighter A wins 1 version of the world featherweight title in his 20th pro contest at the age of 24.

    He has unified the 4 major titles by the age of 28, by his 30th pro contest. He defends the unified title 10 times, so by the time he retires he has made 20 title defences all in, and has won 4 world titles in his career.

    He retires at the age of 35, with a 40-0 record.


    - Fighter B wins 1 version of the world featherweight title in his 20th pro contest at the age of 24.

    He unifies by adding another world title, but moves up before he can unify all 4 and become the undisputed champion. He wins a world title at superfeatherweight, makes a few defences, moves up again, wins a world title at lightweight, unifies by adding another title, makes a few defences, moves up again to lightwelterweight and wins another world title, makes a few defences, then retires. He has won 6 world titles at 4 weight divisions. He has been a unified champion at 2 weights but never an undisputed champion.

    He retires at the age of 35, with a 40-0 record.


    Both guys were pound-for-pound no1 for the last 5 years of their careers, from age 30-35. Both had the same KO ratio, and both resumes are generally agreed to be of very similar quality.


    Who should be rated higher pound-for-pound??
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It all depends on the level of the division/s,the level of opposition is what matters
     
  3. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Great, thanks for that opinion.
     
  4. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you beat " The Man " in each division then I reckon that is the greater achievement ( as you are moving out of your weight ) but thats not common these days and of course that doesn't allow for the HWs
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Active Member Full Member

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    If the quality of opposition is similar then the guy who moves up in weight has he would be fighting bigger men therefore fighting with more disadvantages than the guy who dominates the 1 divison imo
     
  6. joecaldragon

    joecaldragon Guest

    Do you know what THEORY or THEORETICAL mean??

    IN THEORY, I think Fighter B is better, and that in general (not always obviously, but we are talking IN THEORY here) moving through the weights is the greater achievement, as obviously as you go up and fight bigger guys, you are conceding more and more in terms of natural size and strength, and you are getting older as you do so.

    IMO
     
  7. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Moving up in weight and fighting belt holders instead of champions isn't as good as fighting the best in a loaded division.Can't say which is better in theory
     
  8. joecaldragon

    joecaldragon Guest

    But you just have done EXACTLY that?? :D
     
  9. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    What do you mean?
     
  10. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    So what is your opinion on the Fighter A-Fighter B thing then? As I said in the start of the thread, it is generally agreed their resumes are of a very similar quality
     
  11. joecaldragon

    joecaldragon Guest

    Moving up in weight and fighting belt holders instead of champions isn't as good as fighting the best in a loaded division

    You are given your theoretical opinion on which is better
     
  12. innewst

    innewst New Member Full Member

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    I'd say I favor fighter B because fighting in several divisions is just more difficult.
     
  13. box3r86

    box3r86 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    imo fighter B, as not only did he win 2 belts in fighter A's division, he set out to win 2 in each of the other 3 divisions.

    however, if he faced champions in these divisions who werent the no.1 then that puts a spanner in the works. e.g. floyd at 147, winning wbc and ibf was a gr8 achievemnet but he didnt take on the stronger 147 champions in some peoples minds.

    on the other hand, fighter A could have reeled off all these defences in his hometown and against lesser oponents at his most comfortable weight. never the less an outstanding achievement to win all major belts in his weight division.
     
  14. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    That's the truth,if you are in a division with 15 good fighters and stay there to beat all of them(fighter a) or you move up in weight but fight chumps instead of champs thab fighter a is the better one.But again the level of opposition matters
     
  15. joecaldragon

    joecaldragon Guest

    The dude clearly stated that both resumes were of equal quality though, to prevent this sort of wishy-washy wimp-out, and get theoretical answers