IN THEORY, is it better to dominate 1 division or wins titles at multiple divisions??

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think it depends on the competition you have in your division. If the division is stacked with talent, I say better to remain, if it sucks you have to move out.
     
  2. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the 3rd to the last paragraph sir....http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...-Marquez-2.php

    even the third morales fight...pac weighed 144 whereas morales at 139...
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    That paragraph does not confirm with any certainty that Pacquiao weighed 144lbs in the second Marquez, it appears to be a general comment, possibly ony referring to the Barrera fight as an example of how big Pacquiao can come in.

    Where is your source for the claim of the weights in the 3rd Morales fight??

    Pacquiao weighed in at 128 1/2lbs for the 2nd Morales fight, and when you watch it he looks clearly the smaller man (the commentator actually questions at the start of the fight whether Pac at his size will be able to fill into superfeatherweight!).

    Here is an excerpt from an article about prominent current weight-jumpers (written in anticipation of Oscar v Pac):


    "De La Hoya turned pro at junior lightweight and has fought as high as 160. Pacquiao turned pro at a tiny 108 pounds and as recently as last year fought just below the junior lightweight limit of 130. He won a piece of the lightweight (135-pound limit) title just this year, against David Diaz. How can a guy who hasn't gotten any taller be as effective at 147 as he was at, say, 120?

    "It depends on the individual and his physical composition," said veteran trainer Roger Bloodworth. "In this fight it depends on what weight Pacquiao walks around at. He may not be as quick at the higher weight, or he might not punch as hard."

    Bloodworth told HBO.com that how a fighter puts on weight - and how long it takes him - is critical.

    "When a guy just jumps up in weight, I don't think it's good," he said. "It takes a little while to adjust. A good example is Bernard Hopkins. He put his weight on the right way and took his time."

    Guillermo Jones is the poster boy for taking the slow route and making it work. Jones twice challenged one-time WBA junior middleweight belt holder Laurent Boudouani in the late 1990s. After the second fight, a split-decision loss in Las Vegas, Jones jumped to super middleweight. And then light heavyweight. And he kept going.

    Today, Jones is the WBA cruiserweight (limit 200 pounds) belt holder. The difference between junior middle and cruiserweight? Try 46 pounds: Seven more than the 39 pounds Pacquiao will have gained between turning pro in 1995 stepping into the ring December 6 at the 147-pound limit.

    James Toney took a similar route. A rail-thin middleweight champion in the early 1990s, Toney stopped in every division on his way up to becoming an admittedly pudgy heavyweight. But few can deny how good he was, winning the IBF cruiserweight title against Vasiliy Jirov in 2003 weighing 190 pounds, 30 more than he weighed when he stopped Michael Nunn for the middleweight belt 13 years earlier.

    Toney's arch nemesis, Roy Jones, turned pro at 157 pounds in 1989 and weighed 193 the night he beat John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title in 2003. That translates to 36-pound weight gain over 14 years, but about 20 of it was for Ruiz, who had a 33-pound weight advantage on fight night.

    Certainly that's comparable to Pacquiao's 39-pound weight gain over 13 years"



    Were Toney and Jones known as massive middleweights or supermiddleweights before they jumped up to heavy? Nope. Was Oscar a massive junior-welterweight before jumping up to middle? No. Just because someone fights at a weight then goes above it does not mean he is "massive" at that weight. Rather than clinging to stats, just watch Pac v Morales II and Pac v Diaz, he is clearly the smaller man v Erik at sfw and v Diaz at light.

    Had Pacquiao fought Mayweather or Oscar or Arguello or Corrales at 130, you would not think he was "massive" when he was there.
     
  4. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I prefered it when guys stayed at a weight.When i first started watching the sport people moved up in weight but usually one once because they had naturally got bigger.Not 5 or 6 times and only stopping in a division for 1 fight before moving up a weight.To many weight catagories have caused this to happen.
     
  5. MAG1965

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    I would say fighter A is the greater since he had to clean out the one division to be undisputed. Tough call though. It is almost like Hagler as fighter A and Hearns as fighter B. I think Hearns had the better opposition. But in the possibility here A and B seem to be fighting equal guys, so you have to give the fighter A the nod since he did unify all but barely.. Being undisputed is a rare accomplishment. Some people think that guys who move up do so because they are running from tough competition at the lower weight. The guy who stays at the weight has to fight them all. Look how Hagler had to defend against Roldan and Mugabi, who would have made anyone a little apprehensive to fight.