In todays area from 154-175 does anyone beat a prime Roy Jones jr?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sven Ottke was lucky to have beaten Robin Reid and Charles Brewer.

    There's German fans who don't believe that he beat those guys.

    A PRIME version of Roy at 25, was not the same guy who fought Glen Johnson at LHW, 10 years later when he was 35, after dropping back from HW.

    Get real.

    Nobody is interested in your ridiculous triangle theories.

    Neither Ottke or Johnson would have beaten the versions of Roy who fought at SMW between 94-96.

    Let me ask you a question:

    If you seriously believe that all the guys on your list WOULD have beaten Roy, then kindly explain how on earth Roy was able to have beaten the following fighters:

    Hopkins
    Toney
    Griffin
    Hill
    Reggie
    Tarver
    Ruiz

    ??
     
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  2. Dance84

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    Would roy.stop ggg
     
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  3. Kaan

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    Was Roy Jones Jr. considered prime in MW?

    Prime Golovkin fight is the only one I'd like to see. Jones eats Callum alive. Prime Kovalev and Stevenson are good fights as well but my money is on Jones Jr. He was simply better than them.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it's got a U/D written all over it.

    I think Roy would have been respectfully cautious and kept things in the centre of the ring where he could have scored points and then got out of harms way.

    GG is just way too easy to hit.

    This is what he'd have been faced with:

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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think a Smith fight would have been tougher than one against GG.
     
  6. bailey

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    Poor Loudon. Still bottom of the class getting bailey'd

    Now lets just look at this first quote and see what he does? He tells everyone how Jones wasnt the same at 35 yet picks one fight of Ottkes fights at the end of his career when he was 36. See that! Loudon exposed right there as bias.
    He also doesnt seem to mention that Johnson was also 35, yet Ottke beat Johnson 5 years previously.
    He also fails to mention that when Ottke beat C Brewer it was only Ottkes 13th fight.
    In Jones 13th fight he was facing a fighter coming off astoppage loss to the very same Brewer and who turned pro as a SWW.

    Thats Loudon schooled right there!

    This is once again you just talking based on your opinion and nothing more. Another thing you have been bailey'd for before lol

    We can only surmise. Sure Jones may have looked impressive but he didnt face anyone like the names I mentioned previously.
    I think Jones at SMW may have beaten Johnson possibly but dont think he would have beaten Ottke or Benn, Eubank, Collins, Calzaghe, Michalczewski, Tiozzo, Rocchigiani, Maske or possibly Nunn.
    Still each to their own


    Now look below at the list Loudon produces. You would think that when he says Hopkins, its prime MW champ Hopkins. Also remember the standards he set above before I answer
    Not sure what all those fighters have to do with the fighters you listed. You said above that nobody is interested in triangle theories yet here you are trying a similar angle lol.
    Also this is a ridiculous comment as you arent listing the fighters I felt could have beaten Roy but are listing fighters he did beat without any back story. Thats the problem you have Loudon. Some may just swallow your bs but when you have someone who reads and responds, you go into a melt down.

    Now I rate Roy and rate the wins you have displayed below but dont get as caught up in them as you, though as said rate them highly

    At this time Hopkins was an unknown MW. Hopkins wasnt a champ at this time, had lost his debut and wasnt able to gain a MW title in his 2nd attempt after this fight, which was for a vacant title
    At this time there was big punching MW champ J Jackson, G McClellan.
    Now when Hopkins had gained experience as he wasnt a decorated amateur he and Jones fought again and Hopkins won a clear decision.
    Now its been quite documented that Toney mentioned weight troubles and never fought this low again but on the run up to this fight Toney had been in a war, had 2 draws one with S Williams, had 5 wins which were debated, lost his next fight after and later lost to Thadzi, and his best win at SMW was in your opinion?
    I think you only rate him beating Griffin because Griffin was able to beat Jones when they first fought but Griffin was beaten in 4 rounds by a possibly faded Michalczewski. Outside of Griffin beating Roy, what do you think was his next big LHW win? He lost to Harding, Tarver, Jonson, Hoye
    Good win but Hill was coming direct off a loss
    Decent win but has little to do with other fighters
    He lost twice to Tarver and the win he has is debatable
    Good win but absolutely nothing to do with the fighters I mentioned or around their weights or style

    Bit odd for you to say all of that
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    bailey,

    Ever the entertainer.

    I've missed it.

    Roy clearly wasn't the same fighter and you know it.

    The fights I picked were examples. But he didn't turn pro until he was 30 years old.

    He was 31 for the first Brewer fight.

    Nobody cares about your meaningless statistics.

    Why are you comparing the 13th fight of each guys career, when they turned pro at different ages and in different eras?

    It's completely irrelevant.

    You said that Ottke WOULD have beaten Roy.

    Fine.

    How?

    Because all you've offered so far, is that he beat a guy who beat Roy.

    Is that all you have?

    He beat Johnson who beat Roy, therfore he'd have beaten a prime version of Roy?

    Please!

    It's as dumb as saying that John Ruiz would have beaten a prime Tyson, on the grounds that he'd beaten Evander who had beaten Mike.

    What would Ottke have done with Roy?

    Would he have knocked him out?

    He only scored about 5 KO's his whole career.

    Would he have outboxed him?

    You're dreaming.

    You're the guy who thinks that Ottke has a better resume than Andre Ward.

    Yeah.

    Sure, we can only make educated guesses. But we can use logic. Now you have either exaggerated, or you're saying that the guys you've listed were on another level to the guys who Roy beat.

    Could a guy who wasn't capable of beating Roch, really go and school Reggie, then beat Harding, followed by Tarver after dropping back from HW?

    Could a guy who wasn't capable of beating Collins, really have beaten the likes of Toney and Hill with absolute ease?

    It's just you being you.

    What did Collins ever do to make you think he'd have beaten a prime version of Roy?

    Enlighten me.

    I've already answered this. Again, if he couldn't beat the guys from your list, he wouldn't have been good enough to beat the guys who he did beat. That's only logical. The guys you listed also have a back story.

    It doesn't matter if Hopkins was unknown. We can see by watching his fights how good he was. Sure, he wasn't the finished article. But he was still a great fighter who Roy comfortably beat with an injured hand. So, Roy could beat a world class guy of that calibre whilst injured, yet he couldn't beat anyone from your list? Regarding the rematch, you know that Roy was a shell of the guy he'd once been. Hopkins himself said that Roy was shot after he watched his fight against Joe. Yet it didn't stop him pursuing the rematch. He was a scavenger. He wouldn't fight him in 2002 when it would have meant something.

    Yes, he had weight troubles. That takes the shine off of the win. But he always had troubles after he'd moved up from MW and nobody else ever beat him as easy as Roy did. His most impressive win at SMW was knocking out Tim Littles in just 3 rounds.

    I rate him because he was a good fighter. I like his 2 close fights with Toney. And it was incredibly impressive how Roy knocked him out in just a round. Yes, he lost to the other guys, but they were close and competetive fights apart the one against Dariusz. Which brings us back to your list. It's laughable to think that a guy who was capable of taking Griffin out ruthlessly in a single round, wouldn't have been able to beat the likes of Ottke of your list.

    I can nitpick the resume of every guy on your list. Every single one of them.

    Yes, Dariusz beat Hill first. And that was a very good win. But Roy destroyed him. And Roy was the only guy who ever knocked him out in his whole career. And that was before he beat Tiozzo at CW in a single round, not only who you rate, but who you think would also have beaten Roy.

    Off course it's relevant. Reggie was still a good fighter then. He knocked out the highly rated Guthrie. Who beat Reggie like Roy did? The answer is nobody. Roy absolutely embarrassed him.

    The win he has isn't debatable. But Tarver was a very good fighter. Certainly on the level of a guy like Roch.

    It's not odd at all.

    Yes, they all had different styles.

    You know that I'm an advocate of the old adage "styles make fights"

    I always have been. But let's be logical here.

    Let's have a recap.

    He embarrassed Toney, he embarrassed Reggie, he was the only guy to ever destroy Hill, he destroyed Griffin in a single round, he toyed with Hall and Woods, he easily beat a top 5 HW, and he beat Tarver whilst drained at 35. Yet despite all of that, he couldn't have beaten guys like Ottke and Collins etc?

    Come on now.

    You're living in a fantasy.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    And the Ref waves it off
     
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    This! Can't believe what I am reading here, they all musta forgot.
     
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  10. markclow

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    I think Ward beats him.

    Ward finds ways to win.
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ha!

    He'll be back.

    He's like the Terminator.

    He's relentless.

    I'd like to see you debate with him.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Foot Fetish Enthusiast. Nuff Said. Full Member

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    I'm not debating with someone who's convinced Ottke beats 168 Roy Jones Jr
     
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  13. Loudon

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    Andre's one of my favourite fighters. But I don't see how he'd have had the style to have beaten Roy.

    I don't think he could have coped with Roy's speed.
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He also thinks that Ottke has a better resume than Ward.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

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    Oh my
     


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