In what ways are amateur boxers superior to professionals?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    And why would a talented, elite amateur refuse to turn pro?
     
  2. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    there are a lot of reasons why a top amateur dont wanna go pro:

    1. style. if you have a tall standup style with little power........meaning that you want to box from the outside and not exchange short hooks, then the amateurs are the way for you. cause in amateur boxing there is no infighting.....just cliching.

    2.if you dont like bodypunches, dont go pro either. in amateur boxing, bodyshots are almost NEVER counted, so most guys just aim for the head.

    3. if you stammina is not that good, dont go pro. some people are excellent for 4 two minute rounds........but run out of gas after that.

    4. if you cut too easily, stay amateur. the headgear protects.
     
  3. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    There are amateur styles and pro styles, and some fighters have styles which succeed in the ams and not the pros, and vice versa.

    Some amatuer fighters are capable of throwing punches in bunches, sometimes with little power and compiling points but not hurting their opponents... this style doesnt work in the pros.

    Other than that, which amatuers are you talking about that dont go pro? The only examples I can think of are fighters from Cuba.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Thanks guys. Good answers. Yes, I was thinking of top Cubans who don't turn pro for reasons different than the fact that they would find it difficult/impossible. Are these Cuban "amateurs" (they are really pros, aren't they, because this is all they do?) not as good as the pros?
     
  5. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    depends. there have been some good ones like gomez and casamayor.

    but one also has to remember cases like jorge luis gonzales and so on.

    i often believe that while all of them are excellent technical boxers, they sometimes lack ruggedness......
     
  6. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    great amateurs are often extremely hungry, penniless, tactical geniusses with fabulous defencive skills....
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    So why is the pro fight more popular than amateur? Is it because it's more "real"? Or also because the quality of the boxing is higher?
     
  8. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    there is none of that stupid headgear that makes people look like robots.

    and the headgear dont even work.:patsch
     
  9. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    One of the few plus points is that amateurs fight regularly and don't go out of their way to avoid each other. There's no "ducking" at the Olympics; you fight who you draw and don't get a bye for injuries.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :good Yes, this is an important plus. Dodging is what I hate most about pro boxing.
     
  11. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    The fights are too short.

    There isnt the face recognition needed for the public to identify with fighters because of the head gear.

    And the name doesnt exaclty sell either, people think hey why watch amateurs when I can watch pros.

    For me, I love going out on a Sunday and watching a full card of amateur fights.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Why in particular? Because they are more technical? Because the form is purer? Because there is less BS attached? :think
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Less bull****. I dont really find them more technical, although some are great fighters (I would say on a 20 fight card that there are allways about 4 good bouts). Edit: 4 great bouts, 7 or 8 good bouts

    Its the vibe of a packed gym, young fighters with dreams, the way they fight putting it all out there. Every amateur fight is an education for the fighters, in the Los Angeles area I often see the same fighters a couple times a year, and you can visibly see the changes they make in their styles, the education they are getting.

    The fights are less than 15 minutes, so if its a bad fight its on to the next fight soon, and if its a great fight you can be sure they will fight their assess off.

    Oh, and its usually about 5 dollars to get in. :yep
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Sounds great! Why are they not more popular?
     
  15. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    They are popular to a certain degree, usually its a packed house at the cards that I go to see, but mostly friends, fighters and family members, and some old school boxing types who are turned off by the pros of today (these guys can tell you a lot about boxing). I definently recommend you going if you havent been.

    As for the popularity issue, I think its just a leftover of the lack of mainstream popularity in boxing in general. Its a shame because one thing I would love to see is a great amateur boxing program in the U.S. People often tell me it was once very different. Its the talent pool in boxing today, so it should get more support. I would like to hear from someone who watched amateur fights twenty years ago to see how it was different.

    I think Brooklyn was a fighter back in the day (not sure how far back), he would probably tell us more if we could get him in the thread.