In which division would Jack Sharkey fight today?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Jan 16, 2022.


In which division(s) would Jack Sharkey spend most of his career today?

  1. heavyweight

  2. cruiserweight

  3. light heavyweight

  4. SMW or lower

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure, I agree with your conclusion. I just don't think Hunter would dwarf Sharkey, that's all. Jack faced quite a few fighters around that size (or bigger) and he did fairly well. So even though he was smaller than Hunter, I think he'd fare well against Hunter-sized opponents.

    Of course HWs are bigger now, so it doesn't mean that Sharkey would be able to compete at HW for the whole career, that's extremely unlikely. CW is within the rational probability though.
     
  2. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe the premise of this thread is to imagine Jack Sharkey as something different than what he was. For the purposes of answering the OP's original question, we have to imagine Jack born around the year 2000 and growing up from there. We can speculate as to how different he might be, but "different" is a given.

    I suggest that he would become a larger man than what he was, under modern conditions. What effect that would have on him is open for debate. It COULD be that making Light Heavyweight would be more of a struggle than he could manage. Cruiser Weight would be more possible, but moving to Heavyweight later is equally possible. We can debate if he'd be any good at any weight today, but I suspect the talent would be there to make a career at Heavyweight. How successful that career would be is an interesting problem to contemplate.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, I was joking with Unforgiven who in another thread right before he made that post, made a post that read

    "Why imagine Sharkey as anything other than what he was?"

    Right after which he came into this thread and imagined him as something other than he was!
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 Full Member

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    He’d pick up a strap at bantam but he really isn’t big enough for feather.
     
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  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Is today Sharkey's birthday? Why the sudden interest in this guy?
     
  6. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah! In that case...:)
     
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  7. janitor

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    It's not a big deal, but Zsolt Erdei did fight at cruiserweight.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You're right on both counts.

    He weighed 178lbs.

    And it's definitely not a big deal.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He would work concessions.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You are right, when was the WBC ever a big deal?
     
  11. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is a well argued point. However, I don't completely agree.

    Let's begin where we have common ground: I admit as well as you do that Sharkey would not be best served at heavyweight. I think, commenting on size alone, he'd be outgunned even by the likes of Joseph Parker, who isn't one of the bigger heavyweights we have today.

    Comparing him to Kovalev gets dicey because Kovalev was weighing in at 178 up to the age of 25. As he was consolidating his championship status, Kovalev was recorded to have in-the-ring weights of 181, 183, 185 for Sillah, Agnew, and Caparello, respectively. The lattermost of which was at the age of 31. Though he would go on to weigh 3-4 pounds more, to my knowledge, he's never gone past 189, and would summarily settle back to 185 or so.

    Sharkey, if he were born in the 80's or 90's, would be larger today compared to the one that actually existed. If he were transported as an adult into the modern era, I think it's likely he picks up a belt as a light heavyweight. But to say he would spend his entire career at that weight like Kovelev did? I just don't see that happening.

    Also, prime Michael Hunter Jr. did not gain weight in-between in his prime against Usyk, he lost it. Usyk, himself was only 207 in their meeting. A 226 Hunter is the same as a 226 Sharkey, or even a 226 Kovalev. Packing on pounds for the sole sake of 'making heavyweight' is simplicity itself.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is incorrect, as I've already expressed a couple of times on this forum this week.

    They are not "in the ring weights." "In the ring weight" is just what HBO started calling their second weigh in. These weigh ins were not ringside and they were probably (happy to have it demonstrated otherwise) taken at different times of the day depending upon the fighter, his status, and where he is when. So if Kovalev is weighed as 189 at 9am he could be 195 in the ring. He could gain anywhere between 1 and 5 pounds, with ease.

    This makes his range 182 to 194. Sharkey, in the picture I provided, is bang in the middle of that range.

    This is a different subject and not one i'm discussing.
     
  13. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think people are way to determinist when they talk about these things.

    Guys can and do have quite a bit of ability to control their weight. The Jack Sharkey that hits the weights at an early age, and goes on a few cycles looks very different than the one that decides to cut down to the lowest division possible.

    Fighters don't always get it right either, and sometimes do better once they change division.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I completely agree with this. There's no way really to know. You can only say what is likely based primarly upon the culture the fighter is in and secondarily based upon what you think you know of the fighter's character.
     
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  15. thistle

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    which is precisely what ALL People would do in any given period of History that they are in... not that it is even possible of course

    you can't be a 1920's person with a 2000's (or any other time), person's State of Mind, Practises or Psyche.

    We ALL do as each other, as our peers, as is "the Way of the Current Age"...

    hence Big fellas Would NEVER be in Lower Divisions then, just because they are today or in recent Era's.

    Thank you.

     
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