In which fights did Frazier receive more punishment

After tfotc, Frazier was out for a year, was in and out of the hospital, very close to death, and never the same. After the Foreman fight, Frazier was back in a matter of months and more or less looked relatively the same.

 

I suggest you reread my post...

 

Close to death... source?

 

FOTC by far ..

 

It was the FOTC and it's not all that close. Not many would've plowed through what Frazier did that night. He took a bad beating.

 

That ref is allowing Foreman to push.

 

I think that ref wanted Frazier to get killed.

 

I agree. It was fast and devastating but the long grueling fights tend to hurt fighters more than fast knockouts. Frazier's loss to Foreman is like Duran to Hearns. I don't think it hurt them much, they just couldn't absorb that hard a level of punching.

 

In accumulation I agree Ali was throwing razor sharp one two `s that were hard punches. Joe did get hit plenty but he did a masterful job tucking his chin and slipping under shots. He took damage around the eyes and high on the head. Frazier protected his chin better than given credit for.

IMO Ali took far more damage than Frazier that famous night. He was eating clean left hooks from one of the best hookers ever. The poor guy was out on his feet at least 2 or 3 times and hurt another 5. Ali was taking a shellacking to the body and head. Ferdie Pacheco talked about Ali hips and even thighs being swollen Locked up from Frazier body punches. Hard to believe that Ali`s jaw didnt get broken that night but Norton did it.

 

He did. I think at that time everyone was in shock because Frazier had been a tank that nobody could stop and all of a sudden George Foreman is pushing him easily. Not many heavyweights had the physical strength to pull that off.

 

Frazier was in the hospital after FOTC, he nearly died due to kidney and high blood pressure issues.

FOTC and Manila type fights are more likely to do dangerous damage to you and take more out of you physically. Quicker KOs like Foreman in Zaire seem to have more psychological effects.

 

The Frazier camp stated Joe was in the hospital after FOTC because he sustained eye damage from Donovan's finger during the fight. Knowing as we do now that Joe was almost blind in one eye entering that fight, I wonder if Joe's stay in the hospital afterward was really about further damage from Ali to this injured eye.

This being said, I would say the Foreman fight probably caused more neural damage.

 

Joe was in the Hospital after the Ali fight because the couldn't get his high blood pressure under control. Yea Joe took a good amount of punishment in first fight but people on here acting like Ali didn't. He took just as much and the harder shots.
What bothered me about the Foreman fight if I remember correctly were the 1 or 2 shots behind the head. Merchante had no controle of this fight. Anytime a punch is hard enough to put you down is more damaging than eating jabs. Frazier doesn't get the credit for the amount of punches he slightly rolled and deflected with his head movement.
It depends how you look at it. The shots that put him down were HARD shots and the man never seems to get the credit of getting up from all of them vs the grueling 15 rds. Again it's all personal preference.

 

Most of the death's and serious injuries that have happened in boxing through out history was from accumulation of punches not from one punch or early knock-outs. And that would be my answer to this question. Though Foreman's knock-out of Frazier was much more spectacular and dominate, that beating he withstood in the F.O.T.C was much more damaging in my opinion. Plus, it may have effected the results of the Foreman fight. (Like I believe the Hagler fight affected Mugabi in the fights after that war with Hagler, and through out boxing history, bad beatings and wars have affected fighters more than clean knock outs do.) Most of the time, its better to be taken out cleanly and early than long, sustained beatings....

 

No way of knowing that for sure. I think imo, Ali and Frazier done more long term damage to each other than any other opponents they faced. I think it was slightly down hill for Joe after Ali 1. Frazier didn't seem as fresh again