In which fights did Frazier receive more punishment

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Just swollen. Had it been broken he would of had to of had it wired shut. Would have been on the shelf a long time.

 

Excellent point. Based on that I would concede on this. Most fighters do have tragic type of issues on those type of wars even if their not power hitters.

 

Yea he was. Ali also took that and ran with it.

Alot went into that 1st Ali/Frazier fight. From my understanding Joe had been having problems with high blood and other medical issues for awhile. There was more there than just a fight. The pressure of the event alone would drive somebodies blood pressure up if they already had a problem. The training and yes ofcourse the punches themselves.

 

Agreed he took a whipping but not extended beating type damage like a 15 round fight....the Ali fights shortened his career more than any IMO the destructive thing in fights is multiple standing 8's that actually extends the damage being done prior

 

That was the fight that George yelled over at Joe's corner and said: "Stop the fight, I am going to kill the guy".

 

The Ali fight. Floyd Patterson was floored by Ingemar Johansson 7 x losing title.
But came back a year later to regain the title. A brutal 15 round war of attrition is
definitely a career shortener. Frazier definitely left something in the ring that night.

 

Hi fellas, I reckon the FOTC did a lot more harm to Frazier from a physical stand point as everyone has said. He was in an extremely bad way after that fight, it was just Joe's supreme will power that got him over the line in that one. Ali also took a terrific beating but Joe wore so many clean head shots yet kept smokin'.

The Foreman fight on the other hand had to have weakened Joe's chin and his confidence. I imagine he thought he was pretty much indestructible before that fight. Nobody can be that badly concussed and cop that many heavy punches from someone like Foreman and not be damaged as far as punch resistance and confidence goes.

It just shows how tough Frazier was ( and how poorly Ali trained - and how well Fraziers style went against Ali ) that despite being nearly shot he took Ali to the gates of hell in Manila.

Cheers All.

 

I remember hearing how Joe's blood pressure had been dangerously high which had been one reason for the hospital stay. I also recall the term 'athlete's kidney' being used in that context as well. This gave rise to rumors at the time of fragile health for the champion. In the fall of 1971 Boxing Illustrated ran one issue with the cover story "Is Frazier Fit to Fight?" I also read in a book (can't recall which one) in which some former Frazier sparring partners told Ali before FOTC that Frazier had 'high blood.'

Apparently there was talk before FOTC of postponing the fight because of something going on with Frazier. Joe was quoted as saying that if it had been anybody but the butterfly they would have postponed it. I never heard anything definitive about that, but if something had been wrong it may have been wise to postpone because the opponent was the butterfly.

 

Ali was the one who caused more damage. Long...drawn out punishment.

 

FOTC. You add up the amount of force anyone absorbs while absorning easily exponentially the amount of clean shots vs. in a blow out, unless the latter is a rare immediate tragic result, the frawn out beating is worse.

How poorly Ali trained for the Trilla in Manilla?
he thought Frazier was done, but he neither looked in bad shape, nor could he have lasted in that fight which set a record for HW punches landed if he was not in excellent shape.

Let alone have taken over in the Championship Rounds.

 

Agreed. Not many agree but gloves as well. Contrary to popular belief Gloves aren't there to protect your opponents, they are they to protect your hands. Bareknuckle will knock you out quicker, but avoid further damage. While getting hit with gloves, will just keep rocking you, and smashing your brain into the side of your head causing concussions!

 

Excellent point getting pummeled over and over caused far more damage than a spark out....I am on the fence about the standing 8 count....ideally the 8 count is supposed to be for the ref to assess the condition of the fighter before letting the fight continue unfortunately too many times it is simply prolonging the beating by letting the fighter recover just enough to continue to take more punishment. The UFC added those gloves to encourage fighters to punch so the fights would be more exciting...you would think that it would end fights sooner but in their sport you see fighters taking prolonged beatings unable to protect themselves on their hands and knees etc....

It is unfortunate that too many cornermen let their fighters take prolonged beatings without stepping in doing whats best for the fighter they let it go because that's the meal ticket....anybody that has been in the ring and had their bell rung knows that there are times when you don't know what has happened the ref should make sure the pupils are still the same size and cognitional responsiveness but how many of us have gone on instincts in fights? I hate it when a corner is watching their fighter take serious punishment and a fine example was Moore-Duran when the ref wouldn't stop it the corner should have protected him sooner when it was clear he could not comeback by the end of the 6th