Including this weekends fight, Josh Taylor’s last 7 opponents have had a combined record of 162-1!

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I have already told you why I consider Porter to be more skilled than prograis. Porter is not some unskilled brawler that alot of people make him out to be he can box. Prograis runs too hot and cold for me to say he's more skilled, sorry.

    No I don't think taylor-ramirez was a close fight Taylor washed Ramirez. I do think the prograis fight was razor close and a case could be made for prograis there although I have no problems with Taylor getting the nod. I think there needs to be a rematch asap or they both need to move up.

    Crawfords problem was trusting and resigning with that snake arum who promised him big fights and didn't deliver.
     
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  2. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    porter is the definition of an average fighter. The fact that spence and crawford struggled with such a limited guy shows how overrated they are, and porter was into his 30's when they got him, at least kell brook got him in his 20's. Don't get me wrong porter fought everyone and was tough as nails and always in top condition but he has always been a dollar store version of tim bradley.
     
  3. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    “Dollar store version of Tim Bradley”, really? You want to belittle other fighter’s resume in contrast to Taylor’s, and you’re trying to do so by comparing a name on their resume to a guy who had a superior run at jr welterweight to Taylor’s(easily superior to Crawford’s too, for that matter), despite they fought hardly anything alike?

    I guess this will be stating the obvious, but YDKSAB.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    You never said why you consider Porter more skilled. You said Porter has a better resume than Prograis. And you implied Regis lacks skill because he's inconsistent.

    I've never said or implied Porter was unskilled, I've been saying he isn't as skilled as Prograis. Which is obvious. Porter's best traits are his chin, size, strength and workrate. None of which are skills. He hasn't got the defence Regis does, nor the ability to intercept shots, weave counters in or set things up. He's nowhere near as athletic nor is he as elusive. Prograis is definitely a better fighter than Porter, he just isn't as proven. And if anyone is honest with themselves, they know Porter is proven to be below elite level anyway.
    I'm in complete agreement, I want to see Taylor vs Prograis II before they move up. I'd also like to see Taylor take on the remaining contenders before he moves up, just so he can say he truly cleared out the division. Matias, Zepeda and either Barboza or Lopez are viable threats.
    He's an idiot if he thought Arum could get him multiple fights with PBC welters and you're idiot if you think he believed that's what would happen. He wanted some easy money, and that's what he got.
     
  5. Dubblechin

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    Lots of love for Prograis on this thread, given he won one "title" fight against Kiryl Relikh, and Prograis' last fight was a fixed fight buried on a YouTuber's undercard.

    140 SUUUUUUUUUCKS.

    Taylor's challengers would be fringe contenders AT BEST at 135 or 147. That's why they all remain clustered in this little 136-to-140 pound window. They are a bag of spilled goldfish in a puddle in the middle of a pet store parking lot. A dime a dozen.

    I liked the Taylor-Prograis fight ... like I would any competitive fight.

    But don't confuse competitive fights in a bad division as anything more than competitive fights in a bad division.

    Hell, the more I read this thread, the less I like Josh Taylor.

    Good job, everyone.

    Bring on the GREAT, hard-punching, dangerous Jack Catterall ... and what might be the worst card on paper so far this year. I hope all six hours are televised.

    o_O
     
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  6. Serge

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    You can count on one hand and still have a finger or two left the amount of fighters in the sport who have taken the kind of risks and had/have achieved what JT has in just 18 fights.

    The only current ones I can think of are Loma, Usyk and Inoue.

    Unified a division, beaten five world champions and is P4P#5 after just 18 fights.

    How many others can you name have achieved something like that in 18 fights?

    He already beat Terry's second best win Postol in just his 13th fight when he way less experienced than Terry

    Going into that fight he

    Had only fought one world class opponent before (a past prime Vazquez)
    Had taken part in zero world title fights
    Had never been past 9 rounds before

    Whereas, when Crawford fought Postol

    He was 28-0
    Had fought 6 or 7 world class opponents
    It was his 7th world title fight
    Had been into the 10th or further 5 times including the full 12 twice

    When JCR fought Postol
    He was 25-0 when
    Had fought 3 or 4 world class opponents
    It was his 5th world title fight
    Had been 10 round or more four times including going the full 12 three times


    And Taylor already bashed up Terry's best win Porter (26-1-1 at the time) in the gym when he was a 7-0 rank novice despite being a 140 pounder and never having fought anyone above domestic level.

    And he also bashed up Ugas who beat Terry in the amateurs during those same sessions too, not only dropping him but sending him to the hosiptal


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    'There are reports of the light-welterweight seriously troubling former world champion Shawn Porter in sparring'


    ''I really caught a glimpse of what was to come when Josh was out with me in Las Vegas ahead of my fight with Leo Santa Cruz in 2017. Josh was sparring former world welterweight champion Shawn Porter, ahead of only his eighth fight, and I remember thinking, 'This guy is unreal' because he bossed the spar.''

    ''When Josh Taylor used to spar the gym came to a standstill.. unbelievable stuff! I remember seeing him as a pretty green novice professional sparring Shawn Porter in Shawn Porter's gym and punching his head in''

    --Carl ''The Jackal'' Frampton

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    I'm not necessarily trying to argue that Taylor is better than Terry or has a better resume here but the fact is he unified and entire division, has beaten 5 world champions and became P4P#5, and beat what was up until recently Terry's best win when he was 12-0 within 18 fights, whereas, Terry didn't even win a single world title until his 23rd fight.


    Taylor might not be a Loma in terms of genius, other worldly technical wizardry, level of competition, risks taken, number of punchers fought, number of world champions fought in so few fights (way more than almost most all his peers have in way more fights), but no one is or has comes remotely close to doing so. However, he has an excellent resume for someone of so few fights and has already beaten more world champions in just 18 fights than numerous current celebrated champions and favourites have in 30-45 fights.
     
  7. Serge

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    Number of world champions fought

    Clenelo roughly about 18 in 60 fights IIRC

    Loma 11 in 18 fights (wowzers! That's absolutely insane!)

    Crawford 9 in 38 fights

    Think Inoue is about 8 or maybe even 9 in 22 fights

    Twink 7 in 26 fights - don't be fooled this is pure smoke and mirrors and most of them were regular WBA champs, shot to bits, or champs down at 118, 122 or 126. By far the most smoke & mirrors out of everyone

    Usyk 6 in 19 fights

    Spence 6 in 27 fights

    GGG 6 in 43 fights

    Taylor 5 in 18 fights

    Briedis 5 in 29 fights

    AJ 5 in 26 fights

    Jermello 4 in 36 fights

    Beterbiev 3 in 17 fights

    Castano 3 in 19 fights

    Kambosos 3 in 20 fights

    Haney 3 in 27 fights

    Ugas 3 in 31 fights

    Jermallo 3 in 32 fights

    Fury 3 in 32 fights

    Bronze Dosspot 3 in 45 fights

    Joe Smith Jr 3 in 31 fights

    Valdez 3 in 30 fights

    Bivol 2 in 17 fights

    Murata 2 in 18 fights

    Mak-a-boo 2 in 31 fights

    Shakur 1 in 17 fights

    Okolie 1 in 17 fights

    Goulamirian 0 in 26 fights

    Boo Boo 0 in 31 fights

    I don't follow the leprechaun divisions so I ain't diving down there

    Nonito must've fought a lot. At least 13 in 48 fights but likely even more than that

    FTR, Loma wins this via a country mile and it's way more impressive when you factor in how, in complete contrast to many of the aforementioned, the huge physical advantages he's routinely giving away in terms of weight and reach.

    How rarely he's fought smaller world champions, ones who were world champions below 126.

    How often he's fought bigger/way bigger ones in comparison.

    How many punchers he's fought in comparison, punchers who are KO artists and huge punchers who are way bigger than him and are the biggest punchers and KO artists in his third division against fighters their own size.

    No judges in his pocket, quite the opposite in fact.

    Never having been given the rub of the green by the judges once.

    Zero home officials

    No artificially enhancing himself with PEDs like so many of these multiple weight champs have

    And fighting on the road
     
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  8. Serge

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    Super post Serge
     
  9. Serge

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    Thanks mate :thumbsup:
     
  10. northpaw

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    Once upon a time, Brian Nielsen was the "IBO" HW champion and had a record of 49-0.................An undefeated record doesn't tell anywhere near the whole story............not even half.