Incredulous personal opinion - Kosta Tszyu isn't as great as Lupe Pintor

As a fan of both I see where your coming from and agree with your general train of thought. Good and interesting post

 

I like Pintor better, personally, but how exactly is he more "skillful" than Tszyu? What makes you say that he could "certainly do more in the ring"? Pintor faced better competition but he strikes me as a significantly more limited fighter than Tszyu.

 

Kostya taking a beating on here lately. Personally i rate him higher than Pintor and higher than quite a few others he has been compared to. He had a more well rounded game than given credit for and was extremely dangerous.

 

By the way, facing almost any versions of Laporte, Fuentes, Bramble and a very lively Hector Lopez in your first 11 fights ain't exactly easy street.

 

Nope, he got better and better. The Lopez and Mayweather fights were great learning experiences. Shooting his wad and getting KOd also taught him. His body attack later in his career could be brutal.

 

That's the same for a lot of fighters.

 

KT is is becoming one of the more underrated fighters in here now. I rate him above Pintor and i rate Pintor pretty highly as seen by my various mentions of him in recent years.

 

An aging Zarate soundly beat Pintor in their actual fight and received one of the worst decisions in history.

Zarate is on a whole other level to Pintor.

 

How did you score the Zarate fight? I don't get the robbery talk, personally.

 

Not sure of the points but Zarate to me clearly won.

"A surprised Lupe Pintor took the WBC bantamweight championship from Carlos Zarate, 117 1/2, yesterday with a split decision that caused a gasp when it was announced. Pintor, who had been standing quietly in his corner, opened his mouth in obvious surprise when the verdict was announced at the end of the 15 round fight at Caesars Palace. Zarate, however, showed little emotion at the decision although he did cover his head with his gloves. Pintor, who weighed the class limit of 118, went down in the 4th round from a right-left combination to the head. There were no other knockdowns. In the 10th round Zarate bloodied Pintor's nose and in the 11th opened a cut above the new champion's left eye. Zarate appeared to be on the defensive through much of the fight. Pintor kept moving him back and most of Zarate's blows were counter-punches. And this aggressiveness obviously paid off in the eyes of two judges. He threw hard, fast punches and concentrated on the head." -Associated Press

• Purses: Zarate - $150,000 (app.), Pintor - $40,000 (app.)

Unofficial scorecards

• AP - 147-138 Zarate
• Boxing Illustrated - 144-142 Zarate
• International Boxing - 9-4-2 Zarate (IB opting to score it on a rounds basis)
• Ring Magazine - 145-138 Zarate

 

WGomez crushed Zarate, but Pintor was in the WGomez fight to the very end, losing by TKO more from exhaustion.

982-12-03 : Lupe Pintor 121½ lbs lost to Wilfredo Gomez121½ lbs by TKO at 2:44 in round 14 of 15

• Location: Superdome, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
• Referee: Arthur Mercante
• Judge: Dick Cole 120-126
• Judge: Harold Lederman 121-125
• Judge: Artie Aidala 124-123

• Promoter: Don King (Don King Productions

"In round 14, a frantic Gomez once again attacked with all he had and finally managed to inflict some serious hurt on the tough Mexican. The champion, who could barely see and later confessed to be fighting strictly on instinct, struck home with a vicious left to the body and a right to the head to score the first knockdown of the fight. Amazingly, Pintor rose but he was finished. That left to the body had decided the contest. Gomez chased a hurt Pintor to the ropes where the Mexican went down again after taking a hard left to the jaw and the referee immediately halted what still stands as one of the greatest of all the great Mexico vs Puerto Rico battles."