Indeed, what chance would any past heavy have against these greats?

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  1. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Gentlemen, today is a wonderful occasion. We were reminded, yet again, of the leaps and bounds being made in the ever developing pugilistic field. Flashes of Frazier-Ali I ran through my head today while I watched a modern heavyweight classic unfold. The skill. The bravery. The athletic talent. I saw a 212 pound man put his life on the line in a vain, yet stunningly courageous attempt to dethrone a powerful, versatile giant with nigh einstein Boxing IQ. As I reveled in this spectacle, it left me wondering.... What chance would the past heavies have stood with this many disadvantages?

    Clearly they would be ****ed from the outset. Wlad's gigantic size of 240 pounds would be an obstacle Joe Louis or Mike Tyson surely could not overcome, combined with the man's lightning ramrod jab and spectacular movement. Against a slick, brilliant cutie with the heart of a lion like David Haye surely Jersey Joe Walcott and Jack Johnson would be outfought and outfoxed. When did either man ever top Haye's arduous workrate of 72 punches for this fight? Amidst ignorant commentary about the ability and fighting spirit of both men we witnessed the accumulation of advanced boxing science reaching it's peak. And I am grateful.
     
  2. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    joke of a fight and it's irritating it's gotten this much attention.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    It was an art of feinting and flinching. Unprecedented greatness displayed by both fighters. It's embarrassing how limited either fighter was today.
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The skill level on display was rudimentary at best. There was no sign of any ability to adapt to what the opponent was doing.

    It's nice that Haye found out he could slip Wladimir's jab by moving his head. I guess that was the only plan he had coming in. In a rematch he might display the newfound ability of using footwork to step inside the opponent's reach, and in an epic end to their trilogy, he will finally throw a punch.
     
  5. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Bro, you're just not able to appreciate the slick mastery of negative boxing. Haye is almost as good as a prime, motivated Jimmy Young. Notice his clever manipulation of the rules in escaping wlads holds with a fall. That is classic; you'll never see that in primitive black and white film. Did you see how eager these men were to trade blows? I could not count the thunderous flurries meted out in vengeance for stinging words. In fact, some men can walk the walk and talk the talk. These iron chinned bastions of fistic fury are indeed in that category.
     
  6. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    :lol:

    Me and my roomie were watching it dumbfounded trying to understand why he wouldn't go to the body with a big right hand once in a while when he did that. And Wlad as well just not pulling the trigger.. I don't see either of these guys being competitive with a lot of ATG heavyweights, look at how unwilling they are to trade or just fight in general.

    Who dares, wins. And the lack of that is killing boxing.
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    :lol:

    It was like Chageav all over again. Bob & Weave and look for a counter without pressing forward. How much more wasted movement could an elite fighter have.
     
  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Snicker how bad Primo Carnera was as a heavyweight all you like, but Primo Carnera was BRAVE and was willing to engage in combat. Klitschko cannot or will not mix it up. He is ROBOTIC,and stiff ,with only a left jab and a straight right hand. He cannot throw an uppercut nor punch to the body. His being the heavyweight champion these many years ,speaks volumes as to the quality of today's heavyweights ! UGH !
     
  9. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Well said Bert, I feel your pain.
     
  10. kmcc505

    kmcc505 Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    You people make me laugh. The era is weak but not as weak as you make it out to be. Wlad and Vitali are clearly great fighters. Boring maybe but efficient. They would give any of the ATGs a run for their money. They may not be top 5ish but top 10ish for sure.
     
  11. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    this guy disagrees with yall


     
  12. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    How? What would they do against opponents that actually were willing to fight? Or slip and actually counter? or parry jabs? Guys with quick movement? What about crouching infighters with speed and power? They have mediocre uppercuts and **** close game. They rarely throw good, polished combinations(and their single shots arent that spectacular). I just don't see it man, I never have. I like a lot of modern fighters but the Klitschkos are a bore, and I just dont see the arguments for their opposition barring a few outliers..
     
  13. kmcc505

    kmcc505 Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    I think you see something that is not there. I think a lot fighters think they can do the things you think other fighters would be able to do against them, but then they get into the ring to find out they are overmatched. I'm not saying their undefeatable just very difficult to defeat. They are very tall, very skilled, agile and athletic. They use their height and are underrated defensively. Clearly both have real power. All that together means a tall order for just about anyone.
     
  14. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i think wlad is getting undersold...haye is a joke and leave him to the sidelines. wlad uses his skills to dominate fights and fight to his style. he can`t adapt, nor does he need to. it ain`t pretty but it`s effective. i admit i`m dissapointed in THIS fight but his regin at the top is approaching the all time greats, many of whom weren`t astesticaly pleasing (ie: jack johnson)
     
  15. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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