Ingemar Johansson, 1958 vs Frank Bruno, 1986, who wins and why?

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He said it was 50-50 and did not clarify a winner when asked. He actually said he would favor Ingo in '59.

    @Unforgiven Would you call this objective?
     
  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or this?
     
  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    How interesting , another troll .. claims to have been around here for ten years but only six hundred posts so obviously either someone booted or playing .. how transparent ..
     
  4. Bah Lance

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    Liston had just got out of prison and returned to boxing in 1958. He needed time.

    Ingo was at the top of his game and had just demolished Machen in 58.

    This isn't as remotely as unreasonable as you are making it. Choklab said prime for prime, Liston wins and only made peak Ingo a slight favorite over prison rust Liston. Had Liston jumped in with World Champ Ingo in 58, the Swede likely would have been more than a slight betting favorite.

    You been making out like he picked Ingo prime for prime, he did not. End of story. Get over it or keep making a fool of yourself. You will be getting no more attention from me.
     
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  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    In other words he while still a young fighter in his twenties with only twenty eight or so career fights and very few against top ten contenders in those twenty fights was saved by the bell , out on his feet against a journey Brian London. If your position is to support Johansson by denying he was out of his feet and the definition of saved by the bell that's your smoke and mirrors ..
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Doubtful, you're a troll and live for responses to your to your pitiful aggression ..
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How did you respond to this? I thought you had me on ignore. :lol:
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    This guy is the definition of a male Karen. :lol:
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah he claimed to have me on ignore yesterday... so it's all the more baffling that he was able to respond to my post.
     
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  11. Bah Lance

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    So what's the acceptable cut off for favoring Ingo over Liston, George?

    Don't worry, I won't call you a naughty name if I disagree.
     
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  12. Bah Lance

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    Was the "to your" repeat intentional? Because that made you sound like a cool super villain.

    "To your......to your...PITiful Aggression."

    That's how I read it anyway. Excellent post.

     
  13. Bah Lance

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    It's not fair to judge a fighter by the performance that prompted them to hang up their gloves. It could have been against London or anyone. The fact Ingo died at only 76 years of age after a two decade long battle with Alzheimer's that it is suspected was brought on by brain injuries suffered in the ring shows an alarming insensitivity and lack of respect for the sport. You know better.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Which points don't you like ?
    I honestly don't see much wrong with it. He thinks Ingo a slight favourite if it happens in 1958-'59 because Ingo was peaking and Liston was a year or so shy of his peak.
    I'm not saying I agree, but it's quite well reasoned.

    If his reasoning was "Liston was a quitter and a bum and was knocked out in 1 round by feather fisted Ali", that would be bad.
     
  15. Bah Lance

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    Exactly. Liston had been out of the pro ring for a few years by 1958. Ingo was the #1 Heavy in the World, and choklab still respects Liston's raw ability enough to make him a live opponent and Ingo only a slight favorite.

    I think after the DeJohn, Williams, and Values wins...Liston was more than ready in 59. But that's splitting hairs and nothing to get bent out of shape about.

    I think I could see Ingo taking the Liston of the first Big Cat fight...maybe, it's worth considering.
     
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