Ingemar Johansson, 1958 vs Frank Bruno, 1986, who wins and why?

I just think Bruno holds all the aces here. Ingo had his toonder right, that had poor Floyd up and down, but Franky did well for a while against Tyson, Witherspoon and Lennox, so I don't see him really being in any trouble tbh.
So illl stick with Bruno beating him down.

 

Eddie Machen was the outstanding contender. In an incredible run Eddie had gone unbeaten against Joey Maxim, John Holman, Bob Baker, Tommy Hurucane Jackson, nino Valdes and Johnny summerlin. Only the draw with Zora Foley had prevented his chances of meeting Patterson for the title. He was red hot. His knockout of Valdes was spectacular and his stoppage win over the previous title challenger matched the champions result.

 

It’s really a question of pedigree. Machen and Floyd were at one time the best two active heavyweights in the world. And during the time they were enjoying that status Ingo demolished the pair of them in back to back fights. Neither having been knocked out before.

While potentially a lower Euro level echelon to Bruno, Hoff was taller than Frank. Physically a big heavyweight who lacked the movement and quick thinking in the ring that Frank did at world level.

 

Johansen should be favorite here.

 

Machen and Patterson are the only world level (cruiserweight) guys he fought. He went 2-2. Not terribly inspiring.
I think Bruno's too big, too strong.

 

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One fighter beat Patterson once, hit Machen on the chin and got stopped by Floyd Patterson two times, while the other fighter had three fights with Mike Tyson/Lennox Lewis and got stopped two times also against 6*4" 228 fighters.

Johansson (26-2) wins:

Cooper
Machen
Patterson
London

Johansson losses:

Patterson
Patterson

Bruno (40-5) wins:

Coetzee
Tillis
Bugner
Ribalta
Coetzer
Williams
Ferguson
McCall

Bruno losses:

Smith
Witherspoon
Tyson
Lewis
Tyson

Sure, Johansson should be favorite here

 

What is your criteria for the wins/names you selected ??

 

Kudos for the action but:

At the time Bruno knocked 220lb fighters the **** out (when he didn´t meet 230lb behemoths that could box&n´punch), Johannson would rumble Qawi, De Leon, Holyfield, Tillman or Ocasio.....

Where´s the thread of him vs Tillman or Qawi, never mind Holyfield? Or Johansson vs Schmeling?

This place......

For example, to find someone meaningful inside of 26 wins.

 

I am not a betting man, and don’t think I have made a wager since Taylor vs Chavez I....but if this fight came off? I would bet a boatload on Bruno and a 2nd wager on under 6 rounds. Bruno stops Ingo in 5 or less.

 

But you list a guy like Jose Ribalta, not a bad fighter but coming off a 3-loss streak when he faced Bruno.

Tillis was 1-1-1 in his last 3 coming into the Bruno fight (drew with someone called Avery Rawls, lost to Mike Williams, won against a novice with 2wins-3-loss called Ron Douglas) ..... again, not a bad fighter, but not that impressive at the time.

You missed off Joe Erskine, for example, who was coming off 3 wins, was 2-0 against Henry Cooper at that point, when he faced Johansson.
Erskine was no great fighter but can't be a bad win at the time.

That's just an example, after a cursory look.
I'm not sure you've spent much thought on it really. Honestly.

 

You might argue that Witherspoon and Ferguson were overweight, while Ferguson in fact could handle Ray Mercer at a higher weight. Thats 1-2 out of 8 listed.

@Unforgiven Yes cou could add big Eklund and LeDoux for that matter too. Does it matter much?

 

Ocasio v Bruno would have been interesting.