Ingemar Johansson vs Archie Moore

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  1. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    archie the lightheavyweight champ challenges johansson instead of marciano.

    could he unseat him??

    johansson would try to keep him at bay with that long left jab and set him up for that hammer of thor right hand of his.

    archie would have to try and bob and weave inside.

    my prediction would be that johansson would sooner or later catch him with that right and take archie out.
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    But could he keep Archie down?

    That's the question.
     
  3. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Yes. I edge towards Moore here: by decision.
     
  4. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think so. but even if archie would get up, johansson would drop him again and again, eventually leading to a stoppage.
     
  5. janitor

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    If Moore knew how dangerous Johansens right hand was then he would win verry convincingly. Johansen has the one tool to win the fight with and Moore would make sure he didnt get to use it.

    Moore devised the strategy that Patterson used to win the title back from Johansen incidentaly.

    Moore all the way.
     
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  6. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    he may be able to devise the strategy but pulling it off is another matter. he didnt have the speed of patterson.

    look at what that right hand did to machen. machen went twelve with a prime sonny liston. even when he was shot, he still lasted into round 10 with joe frazier.
    machen had one hell of a chin, but johansson almost ripped his head off in round one, knocking him totally unconcious. thats the type of power johansson had.

    moore wouldnt survive that.
     
  7. janitor

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  8. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the issue is what happens when Johansson does catch Moore with his right. Moore fought like a badger when he was hurt. Johansson looked good finishing Machen and amateurish flailing away at a helpless Patterson. I can see Moore surprising an overeager Johansson and with Ingo's shaky whiskers, who knows.

    On balance, I would pick Ingo as this bout was likely to happen in the early 1960's, when Moore was several years past his best. A younger Moore upsets Johansson, in my judgement.
     
  9. Sonny's jab

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    I'd expect Johansson to win, by brutal KO.
     
  10. Marciano Frazier

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    By the late '50s, when Johansson was champion, Moore was starting to decline. I don't think he'd have the sharpness or reflexes necessary to win at that stage, though I think he would probably last a few rounds. I think I'd make an early-to-mid-50s Moore a favorite over Johansson, though.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    I would pick Ingo, but Moore has a real chance to win.
     
  12. dwilson

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    Johanesson by ko late. He had underated skill to go with that big right and at light heavy he was class.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I agree,that Ingo only had a right ,a poster talked about his long left jab ,actually it was just a probing range finder,for his Bingo .I cant however agree with your statement that he didnt get many opportunities to use his right ,once it was no longer a secret,after he kod Machen in 1 everybody knew about his power ,he still dropped Floyd 7 times with it,and he only went the distance once after the Machen fight ,in his last performance against Brian lLondon ,if Ingo landed on Moore I think he would ko him,Moore didnt have anywhere near the speed of Floyd ,and as for making Ingo come forward,it wouldnt happen ,Henry Cooper got fed up with waiting for Ingo to throw something ,and embarrassed by the crowds reaction,he gave the Swede one opening ,that was it finish.
     
  14. janitor

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  15. mcvey

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    Ingo never threw the right hand in sparring for Floyd,he trained behind closed doors for the serious stuff,but Damato had access to film of the Machen ko,they may have underated him,coming from Sweden etc,but they surely knew he could punch ,he had kod TenHoff,Erskine and Cooper among others.Actually Ingo talked his right up a bit ,he told reporters it was "a gift from god",and "my toonder and lightning punch".He just didnt show it to the press.Ingo didnt need many opportunities any way if he hit you he usually dropped you.