Ingemar Johansson vs Archie Moore

Incredible as it sounds he seems to have suceeded in convincing Damato that the Machen knockout was a fluke.

 

Yeah right, after reviewing that fight, it was no fluke, Ingo didnt just stop Machen, he put him out COLD. It was even worse when the ref was counting and the 2nds were in the ring bringing Machen too. atsch

3 people in the ring, helping Machen too his feet or trying to make him come too, and what does the ref do?? 1, 2, 3, 4

 

That's old school.

 

Not many people outsmarted Cus .I remember my Dad telling me Ingo had kod Floyd I was about 8 at the time,I and a mate used to spar pretending we were Ingo and Floyd,both of us wanted to bwe Ingo ,as their series went on we got a bit confused,!

 

I don't see how this was possible. The film of the Johansson-Machen fight was shown on TV-- I remember Jackie Gleason was the host--to build up the fight with Patterson. Machen was a top man and Johansson looks like Dempsey in this fight. I remember Nat Fleischer being interviewed right after the fight ended on the broadcast of the Patterson-London fight and saying that he thought Patterson would be in trouble against Johansson. American fight fans in those days tended to dismiss European boxers but the cognoscenti knew Ingo was a real threat.

I think it is an urban legend that Patterson or D'Amato somehow did not know that Ingo had a right. Those who offered an excuse for Patterson focused on his being overly trained at 182, not on him being overconfident.

 

The English sports writer Reg Gutteridge tipped Ingo,he beleived the Patterson camp had underated him ,plus Reg had seen Ingo take out Cooper very clinically.

 

I read up top something about a post being Old School... I don't know that it get's much more "Old School" than this, Fogey

 

Why? Gleason was a young man. By the way, Walter Winchell picked Johansson. I don't know what Lowell Thomas thought about this fight.

 

People seem to forget that once Johansson tags you with that right hand, your pretty well done.

I think Johnansson could ko Moore if he lands the right though. Would not shock me either way though. Both had the power to take the other out. Ingo is highly underated in the power department imo. Only the iron chin elite would make it out of there to crush Ingemar, If Ingo lands his leather of couse.

 

No harm was intended. It was more of a pun, as it were, regarding people who actually understood the times.

I was merely writing about you being "Old School" because you were able to pinpoint a contemporary comment, nothing more. Most probably don't even know who Gleason is without Googling the name

Anyway, your post was great! :good

 

I was just joking--I'm certain most young people do not know Gleason other than perhaps from a couple of his movie performances. Gleason is just not that old time to me compared to Winchell, Thomas, or Godfrey, or others who survived from the twenties or thirties.

 

This fight to me is logical for June 1960, after Ingo became champ.

Moore would be 44 years old, but had defended against Durelle a second time as the Light-heavy weight champ in 1959 and would move up to fight Ingo for the hvywt. title.

(Moore actually had a fight against trial-horse Willi Besmanoff in May 1960 and knocked him out in 10 rounds....Moore weighed in as a heavyweight).

I think Moore's best chance would be to hurt Ingo early, then try to outbox him the rest of the way.

I don't know if Archie's cross-arm defense would be able to stop all of Ingo's big right hands.

After 6 rounds though, Moore would have a real good shot.

 

Ingo could punch and Archie would have to box him in the early rds but I like Archie here because he was superior in every other area...the Marciano fight took a lot out of Moore but he still went on to light heavy and a 38-4 record after the Rock

 

Janitor, I have read over the years the preparations Floyd went through for the second Ingo fight, and the special techniques he imployed, but had never heard of Archies involvment as you wrote. Please give me some information on this if you will. Floyd said years later by the way, that Ingo hit harder the Sonny!

 

Bad style matchup for Moore.