Ingemar Johansson vs Joe Frazier

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  1. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Ingo probably wouldn't take Frazier's punch any better than those guys did. He's not too elusive, Frazier is twice the force of Patterson, not mention bigger and stronger. Who had ever stopped George Chuvalo before he met Frazier? Joe got him out 3 or 4 rounds. Jimmy Ellis never had been down as a heavyweight until Joe Frazier turned the trick.

    Honestly I would have suggested a 1st round stoppage if Joe hadn't been a slow starter.
     
  2. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    Ingo wouldn't be able to do a "george foreman" on frazier.
    His reach was like 3 inches shorter than Joe's, and even if Joe got caught.....well, he took straight shots from Foreman and got up and kept fighting.
    While a big hitter, i doubt ingo had the awe inspiring power and strength of foreman.
    Joe would cut the ring off, storm inside and after that, it is just a matter of time…
     
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  3. ETM

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    The way Frazier came in bobbing and weaving very fast would IMO be a factor putting Ingamar back on his heels, taking away his leverage much of the time. Joe had a tough chin as well.
     
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  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ellis hadn’t fought in 17 months, wasn’t a natural heavyweight and hadn’t faced very many punchers prior to that point. Still he lasted 5 rounds not three. Chuvalo was past his prime and stopped on his feet. Still Went beyond three. The only good fighter Frazier ever stopped within three rounds or less was Bob foster and we all know what his track record was like at heavyweight.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    Let’s go with the old nonsense again that people use for Frazier “The worst person that beat him was Floyd Patterson” he’s got a chance!
     
  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A passive, low punch output counter puncher with average durability vs a relentless, high output swarmer.

    I doubt anyone is KOing Frazier with 1 punch, and no one is beating him by decision with a low punch output. Outside of a freak occurrence, Frazier should be favored to win. My guess is Frazier by KO within 7-9 rounds.
     
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  7. The Fighting Yoda

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    I think Ingo is a bit underrated by some.

    I don't think he just accidentally KO'd Machen or Patterson. I think the Johansson who defeated Patterson was a really good boxer. He was crafty and sneaky. He had a pretty good footwork and a frequently jab (not much sting behind it but enough to win rounds). Thus, he was a good fighter from the outside even if his reach was a bit short. He was a brutal finisher and had a notorious, accurate and sharp right punch alias Bingo.

    But of course, he also had weaknesses. I once read in an article that he was often not very hardworking. I don't know much about it though. I have his biography but haven't had time to read it yet. Another point is that his chin wasn't great. I think that's also the decisive disadvantage against Frazier who was tough as nails. His chin wasn't glass but I think for a world class fighter or contender maybe average.

    Let's assume he is motivated and his chin is granite. I think he would be a really big threat to almost every great boxer, including Frazier (Well, probably not against an outstanding ATG like 60s Ali). However, this is not the case, at least chinwise.

    So, I think Frazier is definitely favourite but Ingo has a puncher's chance and can be a tricky opponent, especially at the beginning.
     
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  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Imo, the only possible way for Ingo to win is via 1-3 round KO/Stoppage. Goes any longer than that and Frazier is winning this fight every which way.

    So can Ingo pull it off? He might wobble Joe early as several fighters did. He might even put Joe down early as Bonavena did.

    If he hurt and put Joe down, he’d want to follow up for all he’s worth to seal the deal - it will only be a small window if it even presents in the first place.

    Imo, it wouldn’t be fair not to afford Joe far more credit than not to survive an early round blitzkrieg. He earned that credit by way of his proven durability and many gusty career performances.

    Until Foreman came along no one could reason Joe ever being stopped..and my man Ingo, Odin love him, wasn’t George.

    Please do not descend upon me slain warrior heroes of Valhalla…….
     
  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A very interesting analysis, the Bingo was no joke and when Ingo landed it on opponents it usually spelled game over. Remember Smoking Joe Frazier was decked twice in the same round against Oscar Ringo Bonavena on Sept 21 1966 before escaping with a very controversial split decision in Madison Square Garden.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So true Pug, Joe Frazier did have more proven stamina than Ingo had.
     
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  11. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The thing is that Ingo has that one weapon that equalizes everything: one punch power.
    So of course for 1 or 2 rounds it would be interesting to see if he could land that right-hand but after that he might get ground down.
     
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