Ingemar Johansson vs Oscar Ringo Bonavena, both prime.

This is an intriguing pairing with contrasting styles. The Swede is not a favourite on this forum, but he must have had something.
Olympic silver medalist, complete domination of Euro heavies, dynamic stoppages of 2 top Americans. Not bad!
I’d pick him to outmanoeuvre Oscar who would have been wary of the right, enroute to a points win, with a chance of a late stoppage, like the lighter punching Ali managed.

 

Cleveland Williams drew with a prime Machen.

Jerry Quarry lost to an old one.

Wonder what Chok makes of that?

 

Describe Ingo's style for me.

 

Describe Ingo's style for me. I've already stated one round kos often leave a question mark for me.

 

This would be an exciting match with a lot of action. Not sure who I’d pick but I’m thinking Oscar’s durability and relentless pressure might give him an edge.

 

Excellent point but somehow Jimmy Elis dropped Oscar twice w right hands ... tricky .. I'd favor Oscar because Ingo would have to take him out early and while not impossible I don't see it ..

 

Yes a 22 years old 8 fight Bonavena lost to a 79 fight Folley.
A 24 years old ,39 fight Bonavena beat him.
Ingo beat Floyd once in 3 fights ,Floyd sparked him in the 2 rematches.Which kind of proves my point. Brian London dropped Ingo, and the final bell saved him.

I refer you to this
Billy Joel - Honesty (Official Video) - Bing video.

 

I am shocked by the number of people picking Bonavena.

I would have assumed that Johansen was the favorite, and that it was a bit of a no brainer!

 

Ingo is awful for Bonavena IMO. He has an awesome lead hand, which he used to set up that extremely explosive right. I cannot see Ringo not getting nailed every time he tried to come inside with vicious rights. Given Ingo's power, and just how easily he destroyed Machen, leads me to believe that Bonavena doesn't go past six.

 

Seriously? He's one of the most overrated fighters here!

 

Makes sense logically.

 

In regards to you referring me to Billy Joel’s song about Honesty, an implication that I must somehow be dishonest to see things another way.....is I think astonishing really that it has come to this. That I can only be lying if I don’t see things your way?

let’s look at the facts.

yes first time around, when The swede was in his prime, Ingo beat Floyd bad. Really bad.

first time around, when Bonavena was in his prime, Floyd beat Ringo.

And that is how it happened and that is a fair and rational logical way to decide upon isn’t it? I decide to conclude the prime Ingo did better at face value against a better version of Floyd Patterson than the prime version of Bonavena. And I can decide this can’t I?

I am totally okay with your own choice of outcome based upon Brian London losing a decision to Ingo (in his last fight) somehow proves Ringo will in fact beat the prime version of Ingo because I am generous enough to accept everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I know you are not lying and that you sincerely believe in your heart of hearts that a Brian London loss is a relevant factor in a decision and can, to your mind, be a true and rational basis for a rational opinion.

 

I think I know. He'll say it doesn't matter, because he was twenty-ond years old. Keeping in theme with the lack of credit he gives Cleve for beating the twenty-two year old Terrell. Although, it would appose the extreme belittlement he lends to a twenty year old Cleve for losing to Satterfield. I think he'll find a convenient way around that though.

 

Well let me suprise you then.

I think Williams when he drew with Machen, for that moment and that second, was a better fighter than Jerry Quarry was when he legitimately lost to Machen. I credit Williams for that. Drawing with Machen did indeed briefly allow Williams to stand among the top contenders.

Likewise when Ingo beat Floyd he was then better than Bonavena was years later, in his prime, losing to Patterson.

 

Terrible matchup for Ingo. Bonavena would wear his ass out.