Ingemar Johansson vs Oscar Ringo Bonavena, both prime.

This sounds correct to me. Ingo Johansson knocked out Floyd Patterson in 1959.

indeed he did. Floyd was doing rather well against Ali but his eye closed up. Patterson was indeed a good fighter until the end, which was how he managed to beat a fighter as good as Bonavena in the later stages of his career.

 

Ingo's left was nothing a pawing jab, he was essentially a one handed fighter.The Swede's power is also vastly overated he hit Machen with everything ,including the kitchen sink before the inept referee called it off with Eddie still on his feet.

 

It strikes me as being a pretty bad match up for Bonavena.

Would you really want to trade with Johansen, if you were not an absolute wrecking ball?

 

Ingo used his pawing jab to set up his right hand. That'd be good enough vs Ringo.

 

Ingo's left was nothing a pawing jab, he was essentially a one handed fighter.The Swede's power is also vastly overated he hit Machen with everything ,including the kitchen sink before the inept referee called it off with Eddie still on his feet.

Because Ringo was ko'd so often. Once in 68 fights.

 

He never faced a puncher like Johansen.

 

Lyle? Ingo's resume is thin ,3 wins over class men if you include Cooper.He is built up as some kind of Shavers here ,he had to score multiple kd's of Floyd to stop him, the fight called off as Floyd is rising, and hit Machen with a ton of leather before the criminal ref stopped it with Eddie still on his feet.The Swede is very overated imo.

 

He might be over rated, but his power is not, and neither is his finishing ability.

Exhibit A Johansen Machen
Exhibit B Liston Machen
Exhibit C Frazier Machen

 

Lyle did not have ingos power or timing. Lyle was more in the mold of a Ray Mercer, Trevor Berbick kind of guy. Strong box puncher type. Just below championship level.

Ingo was a dangerous one punch knocker outer like Corrie Sanders or Gerrie Coetzee. Only Ingo like Max Baer was championship level.

That’s a huge difference in levels.

 

Bonavena was not some stand in slugger. He was awkwardly clever, always in great shape, tough as nails, and pushed every fighter he ever faced to the limit. I think you need more than one shot power to beat him. Ingo's right hand could be a problem given how Ellis dropped Bonavena with rights. But Ellis was much faster and more savvy at hiding his right and he was also not a one handed fighter. Bonavena would know that he had to watch out for Ingo's right and nothing else and that make his job easier than it was against Ellis. I cant see Ingo stopping Bonavena and thats the only hes winning. Even Bonavena's stoppage loss to Ali was largely due to Ali's violation of the neutral corner rule and regardless, Ingo was no Ali.

 

Bonavena runs him outta the ring.
Bonavena by punishing TKO

 

I would pick a lot of champions to beat Johansen, but not that many contenders.

He strikes me as being very bad news for somebody who is not quite at that championship level.

 

Eddie Machen was hit by everything but the kitchen sink in 2 fights, Ingo and up and coming Frazier.
Difference is prime Machen went in one with Ingo. Much later, when finished, he lasted into the tenth with Joe, who couldn’t miss him.
In both cases, Eddie was victim of inept referees and cornermen.

 

The referees let Poor Eddie take some awful beatings when you think about it. He really did not deserve that.