Ingemar Johansson vs Sonny Liston 1959

Quantifying the quality of individual right hands is going to be impossible which is why I said “probably the best” rather than the outright hardest. All things considered his right hand is up there.

Certainly I don’t think it is wrong to say Ingos right hand was among the best.

 

Then why didn't he get in the ring and test it against Liston?? He lost that fight that never happened before he even got into the ring ... same as Patterson

 

It's Liston & Choklab, what else did you expect!

 

That has got to be worth a thread

 

Ingo barely got past Brian London. Ingo took out Machen in1 round and he hit him with everything including the kitchen sink before it was stopped.Ingo refused to honour the rematch clause.
Machen ran from Liston all night and survived . Floyd and Ingo used each other as yo yo's and Floyd came out on top 2 out of 3.Liston smeared Floyd like jam on toast twice,the fights lasted a total of 4 minutes 6 seconds.
Johannson was offered 1 million dollars to fight Liston he turned it down.

 

correct. When was this? It was not 1958-59 was it?

Ingo flattened the #1 contender in one round. A court ruled fairly that he did not have to honour the rematch to guy he beat so emphatically to foresake a title shot. And by the way, that case went on during the week before he challenged Floyd Patterson.

Exactly. And what was left of either of them after that?

on the smearing Of Patterson, a poster on here called Old fogey said it best years ago: “A top level fighter being ko'd twice in consecutive fights by a single opponent is, as far as I can figure, unique in boxing history. My take is that such an dual outcome was dependent not only on what Liston brought to the table, but also what Patterson did not, whether because he was intimidated or for some other reason. Therefore I do not push Liston into the stratosphere on the basis of the Patterson fights but try to judge him the basis of his entire career, warts and all, and the Machen, Besmanoff, King, Whitehurst, etc fights were warts, as were some others.”

when was this? 1959-1962 Ingo was handcuffed and committed with the whole rematch thing. Ingo was contracted for this, there was no breaking out of it even if he had wanted to. Same with Liston himself. Once he was champ he had to rematch Patterson. Once Ali beat him he could not get out of a rematch either. Talk is cheap. You could offer Sonny a million to fight Doug Jones, if he’s tied to a contract to rematch Patterson it won’t happen.

 

Excellent. Right on.

 

How could anyone take that tripe seriously tho?

 

You don’t think Ingos right hand was among the best in history?

 

Sometimes you get a hater too.Dog bone,bone dog.ad nauseum

 

You said he "probably had the best right hand in the divisions history"!!! Tripe.

You don't think you said that?

 

I'm thinking that Chok is Swedish, over 6ft 4" tall and cannot put on weight.
It would explain a lot!

 

Liston would be the smart bet