Ingemar Johansson vs Sonny Liston 1959

Yea right, it wasn't just the hammer? That left before the right sure was a massive punch. I don't know whether you actually believe what you're writing.

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Ingemar Johansson vs Floyd Patterson I - YouTube

 

I don't want to get involved in an argument with anybody, it's just a discussion but I think you make good points about Patterson after his losses to Sonny. What a brilliant run. Machen was a hell of a boxer/fighter and one he was accused of being frightened of. I think Cus Damato was the one who stopped that fight. He had a long run of defences but the boxers he beat AFTER were better than those boxers, for sure. Machen just one of them. Listen himself had a very good run after beaten by Ali.
I wonder whether the fact Floyd couldn't get past the first round twice was down to fear, or a style thing? Bit of an anomaly for me that. I certainly wouldn't put it down to size. Two absolutely brilliant fighters.And Johnson at his peak was a very dangerous puncher with a very good jab to set everything up.

 

Try to tighten your replies up to the one post.

Much more efficient that way.

Btw, the rhetorical questions are just brill.

You’re clearly not reading or watching anything properly.

As I said, several specific punches were already referenced previously.

You’ve chosen to ignore those references - no point elaborating further, you refuse to take on board what you’ve been told already.

Pretending like you haven’t been told anything doesn’t cut the mustard. You’ve proven you’re only here to waste people’s time.

It’s also obvious that you don’t even understand what a combo actually is. You only have eyes for Ingo’s bingo - best you open both eyes rather than keeping one eye closed.

And, if you believe the inability to address and answer points (which I have actually done) is a reflection of being uncomfortable - then you must be quite ill at ease “trying” to debate not just with myself but with a number of other posters here also.

 

Coming from someone refusing to answering a relevant question because "he can't be bothered". Seriously, you seem to have a lot of time to answer everything else and then you're coming up with childish excuses.

And you did not understand that my reference to one punch was one punch that did the damage rather than a combination of punches? You come across as ungenuine.

 

Look, everyone on youtube says it happened, so it happened. I love it. You even had time to check the comments to confirm what you want to believe but actually pointing out the punch is a waste of time

 

Still “trying” to troll away.

I understand everything,

You understand very little.

Now you’re melting down - figures.

 

You're correct. Williams telegraphed his punches and Liston had a good defense. He slipped or blocked most of the sweeping left hooks that were not aimed at his body.

Liston I think deserves more credit for defensive skills than an iron chin off the Williams' fights.

"Which was the punch it is such a miracle that Liston survived?"

A fair question. I would like to know also. I didn't see a punch that was all that heavy land on Liston's chin.

 

1. As you've been told literally countless times, the punches Liston took from Williams have been well discussed in this very thread countless times.

2. I'm "going on about you being some other poster" because it's true. The lack of denial, and the silence is deafening. Oh and if you try to deny it, just know I have irrefutable proof.

 

Tell that to Machen. Likely the best counterpuncher of his era. If Williams telegraphed his punches that badly, Machen would've had a field day with him, like he did literally every other puncher of that era (besides Liston himself). The best he could muster was a majority draw with the third judge scoring the bout for Williams by a three point margin.

Wait a minute, so you mean Liston utilized his excellent defense, to avoid being hit by a top ten contender with very fast hands, and still despite not being hit flush, still had his nose bloodied, broken, and was nearly knocked out by his own admission? That Williams must've packed some dynamite considering he did all that damage without even landing anything significant.

Seems we've been underrating both Liston and Williams all along.

 

1. Patterson didn't have a "non performance". He was bobbing and weaving and actually made Liston miss a good amount of punches.

2. So you're saying, if Frazier was knocked out by Foreman again in the same manner, it would "reflect worse on what the loser brought to the table" rather than the winner, and those wins would be dismissed as well? That's essentially the same as "throwing out all double wins" that happened in an unprecedented matter.

No but you sure as hell endorsed the **** out of it and continue to do so.

 

Why don't you? At least it would prove that you're not making things up.

 

I miss @BlackCloud ,, what a great poster
He liked this thread

 

Why don’t I what? Show my proof?

First, I’d like your response on record to prove you’re a lying POS, once and for all. Are you or are you not Bah Lance?

 

May he RIP.

 

That’s not what I wrote or implied.

Comprehension level = Zero. You’re really hobbling along with that gob.

So, are you Bah Lance?

I am not and never was Bah Lance. Theres, I said it. Easy to answer when you’re not trolling and being DISingenuous.

Very uncomfortable, YOU must be.