Ingo Meets Earnie !

All those people who picked Williams to lose to Johansson are now picking Shavers to beat Johansson? Shavers was not better than Williams. You think Big Cat in his prime would lose to sub .500 Bob Stallings? LOL..ok sorry for the rant..let's stick to the thread

I like over Johansson over Shavers..because shavers had major stamina and slight chin problems. Shavers also didn't enjoy a big size advantage, At 6'0 210lb in his prime. I don't think Johansson would be intimidated too much. I do think Shavers has a major punchers chance, but I think Shavers had some technical flaws that would allow johansson to captilize for a big right hand counter. Shavers loaded himself up too much. Johansson wouldn't need more than 1 or 2 of those hammor or thors to take Shavers out. I think the fight would end early, but I think Ingemar has the advantage if it goes into the later rounds too. I also like Johansson's wins over prime versions Machen and Patterson as better wins than anything Shavers ever produced*

 

I agree the Quarry fight is a good indicator only Quarry would trade and was tough but Ingo had more one punch power, Jerry's chin was solid...as far Shavers improving,I disagree Quarry, Lyle,Cobb and Mercado,Stander,Stallings and guys coming forward took Earnie out but Earnie fought Ali and Holmes and Young the less pressing guys, guys he could chase into later rds. Shavers never improved against the pressure guys who had good power.

 

I think an early 70's Shavers couldn't have taken the punishment he did against Holmes, Roy Williams and even Jeff Sims at the end of his career. Against Quarry he looked surprised that he had actually been punched at and went to a shell. Later on it was his lack of stamina that led to him being stopped.

 

Shavers was stronger and more physical than Williams though. I think that's what could trouble Johansson more than anything. If he could just waltz around Shavers and then unload a right hand eventually, it would be no problem, but Shavers was always aggressive in the early stages and wouldn't give Johansson much time to think.

Despite the loss the fight shows how dangerous Shavers could be in the early rounds:

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Ingo had an icredibaly short prime -where his timing was so pin point he was always going to trouble great fighters. I must stress this was for about 3 or 4 fight period. Ingo after the patterson serries was nothing special, shavers who took out ellis would dump that guy who was cut against floyd the last time.

shavers has a beter chance than big cat wiliams at beating a peak ingo but the swede who iced machen was far too sharp for shavers. peak for peak you gotta go for ingo.

 

Ingo was still a dangerous puncher if nothing else by the third Patterson fight. He was still relatively fresh by the end despite being overweight, it's just that he got caught in a bad spot, the side or back of the head by the fast hands of Patterson and couldn't gather his balance in time.

Devastating power on display:

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Well really, it's basically whoever gets hurt first.
Neither had good chins. They both had been hurt early in fights. Shavers vulnerable to the right lead, Johannson to the left hook.
Johannson was faster though, and had more accuracy in his shots. he also had movement.
I would pick Ingemar's right hand to hit home first on Shavers chin. Likely a very early knockout either way though. It could easily be Shavers. But I would pick Johannson in a matchup like this.

 

I would fancy Ingo to get the drop first.

You notice that I am not puting any money down.

 

But can Ingo truly be described as a pressure guy Bummy? Even in his one round blowouts of Ten Hoff and Machen, he started out by retreating, making them come forward. Johansson's power was obviously lethal, of the "clean" variety. Shavers could generate the kind of dirty power which forced somebody into retreat even when it didn't connect solidly, and he sustained it surprisingly well against Tiger Williams through ten rounds. After Lyle got up, he spent much of his time countering off the ropes, before fatigue accelerated by Ron's hometown Denver altitude contributed to Earnie succumbing. (I have a family member who's also a runner that moved to Denver a few years ago, and he had a devil of a time adapting to that altitude.)

The huge Mercado actually played something of an uncharacteristic matador role, and had to get off the deck to stop Shavers. Earnie significantly expended himself trying to follow up his knockdowns of both Holmes and Mercado.

Patterson was blindingly fast, but London wasn't, and referee Andrew Smythe admitted he would have stopped it had the final bell not saved Johansson. How significant is that near outcome? Ingo looked all right in knocking out Richardson, and he'd dominated Brian with his jab, piling up an insurmountable lead, but he was never able to land his thunder. Still only 30 years old, Johansson weighed a reasonable 200 pounds for his swan song. (206-1/2 for Patterson III was unconscionable, especially in light of how Floyd crumbled London to the body the very month before Ingo took his title. What the hell was Ingo thinking in Miami Beach?)

Boy, Earnie sure liked that hook to the body, right to the head one-two, and it looked awfully effective on Mercado and Tillis. I could definitely see him taking down Ingo with that particular combo.

Part of the reason JQ had the success that he did was by swarming all over Shavers, giving him little chance to unload. Cobb, being a crazy freak, just walked through him. Lyle weathered him by taking refuge on the ropes and returning fire. Ingo typically did none of that. He'd continually retreat in mid ring, seeking to draw his man into one of those rights. Shavers is one of the most dangerous heavyweights ever to afford that kind of punching room and opportunity to. Jerry blew him out and Ellis had him going in a corner by taking the initiative. Ingo certainly had the power, but did he have the temperament to punch Earnie out before giving him a chance to unload first?

 

everone hit shavers, he was a take two to land one guy but he had such long arms he caught people out - after taking two first. Ingo was lethal for a time and one shot was enough, if he gets in first thats it for the bald one.

 

He was Ko'd by Stander and dropped by Stallings and beat at every stage of his career Shavers was somewhat shaky ...difference with Holmes Ali and Young is there power did not scare him.

 

Shavers ran out of gas in both fights. The Stander fight was a green Shavers literally punching himself out on Stander's face and falling over from exhaustion. Against Ali he trained harder than ever and paced himself, otherwise he would have been stopped. He showed a good chin against Holmes, but ran out of stamina again in the second fight.

I think the Quarry fight is clearly an example of a hard-hitting prospect realizing that he can be hit himself, and going into a shell. He didn't know how to deal with being hurt.

 

maybe ali and young's power didnt scare him but it sure as hell stunned him because shavers got hurt in both of those fights. young hurt him early in the second fight and ali hurt him with the last flurry in the 15th round, and that wasn't exhaustion, he was hurt

 

Johansson had better do just that, because as you also pointed out, Earnie had that 80 inch reach to go along with his power. (This is a rather freakish disparity in reach between the two. Ingo stood half an inch taller than Shavers, but had a reach of 72 inches. Having an even greater edge in reach certainly didn't help Ten Hoff, but Hein had previously been starched in one by Neuhaus, hardly the same caliber of puncher as Ingo and Earnie.)

 

neuhaus was a big guy, 6'3 and up to 224lb. there is no shame in hoff losing to neuhaus who had some good wins over rated heavyweights bucceroni, rex layne, joey maxim, brian london and a draw with henry cooper. of course ingo also KOd neuhaus too...