Ingo vs Baer

Schmeling did not claim that in his autobiography. After delving into the scandalous Berlin night life he was watching and beginning to take part in, Schmeling had this to say:

"Maybe I was letting myself get too far into this new world. I was starting to catch myself breaking my training routine of going to bed by ten, and it was beginning to show. A few days after a particularly late night I had a bout at the Frankfurt Festhalle against the Englishman, Gypsy Daniels, whom I had beaten three months earlier. Without my usual concentration, I was caught coming off the ropes in the first round by a haymaker that dropped me for my first knockout loss."

Max Schmeling--An Autobiography, translated by George Von Der Lippe, page 37.

 

Do you think Erskine,Cooper ,and Richardson would do any better against Baer?


I take Galento to ko Ingo,past his best? Yes ,but he had just stopped Nova and a year previously had dropped Louis twice in a title challenge.

Risko was 29 years old!

After losing to Baer, he went on to beat ,
Christner,Walker,Griffiths,Levinsky,and 3 years later he was good enough to beat Maloney,and Loughran.

Levinsky ordinary?
Well he was good enough to beat the sort of opponents Ingo confined himself to eg.McCorkindale, whom he floored 4 times.
McCorkindale was likely as good as the Euros Ingo feasted on.imo.

Levinsky also beat contenders like,
Griffiths,Retzlaff,Uzcudun,Loughran,Slattery,Lomski.


Uzcudun beat.McCorkindale,Charles,Kennedy, Von Porat,Renault , and ,drew with Schmeling.

Lost gobs of fights, yes ,but Uzcudun had 70 bouts,Levinsky118, Risko 70.

What would Ingo's record have looked like in their circumstances?

Bottom line ,Ingo met 2 top men, he caught one, overconfident ,and cold, in the 1st round, if they met 5 times , I would pick Machen to win at least 3.Truly.

The other top man Ingo met, beat the **** out of him in 2 rematches.
I don't think he hits as hard as Baer.and he sure as hell couldn't take a shot like Maxie.

 

Ingo was something of a super talent. With but a handful of fights he won the European title. He then defended it wiping out all credible Europeans then knocked out the best two heavyweights in the world - eddie machen and floyd patterson when neither had been knocked out before. All this with under 25 fights under his belt.
Ingo then suffered one of the best knock outs in history and was never quite the same. To say he had a weak chin is to say that pattersons left hook wouldn’t have knocked anyone else out. Ingo actualy got up then suffered an identical left hook while still groggy. We will never know what he might have been had he not hit his head on the floor. You could say ingo was damaged goods as a fighter after that point.
Baer also knocked out the worlds best two heavyweights in max schmeling and primo carnera but scheming had been knocked out before and primo had been knocked over and nearly out by sharkey by then. Primo was even injured and still max couldn’t put him away, it wasn’t a wipe out. Baer had been more active along the way but had not made any real waves until beating schmeling. He was apt to losing on points every once in a while but there is no doubt he was a super talent also.
I think its almost 50-50. Baer was more seasoned but dispite his talent could lose intrest and focus in a fight. His second fight with Nova was something of a “no mas” and he just about stopped trying against Louis still trying to clown when he was down by waving from the floor.. Ingo could actualy box beter than Baer and wasn’t as unpredictable. I edge towards ingo but maybe tomorrow I might edge toward Baer!

 

Why he was disqualified in the olympic is a joke!
Ten years later a young man used the same run-and-jab tactics and is still hailed as a legend...think about that one for a while..
Ingo was asked to fight Liston but didnt came back from retirement cause he said himself he couldnt win, he was done.
The reason why he took the Richardson fight is easy, he was then the european champion!!
Rabbit punches!? look at their third fight then!
Im Born swedish and i know the Ingo story better than you i can assure you.
Come back when you can read and understand swedish..the american and english sportswriter doesnt have the whole,correct picture of everything on Ingo. Why should they?

 

I think Baer could take Floyd's left hook,I didnt say Ingo had a weak chin ,but it was not in Baer's class , imo . Louis said he hit Baer harder than he hit anyone.
Max couldn't put him away?
Ingo had several free shots at Patterson while he was looking the other way ,one hit him in the throat two hit him in the back of the head.
Floyd was actually looking for the neutral corner ,under the impression he had knocked Ingo down.
Baer killed one man and ruined another.Ingo dropped a champion who has the record for being floored.

 

.....And he nearly killed Machen...DESTROYED him.Something that neither Frazier or Liston did...

 

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Johansson fought two rated Americans, he would not go near the others, preferring guys like McBride, who had lost 10 of his last 14 fights.
It's intersting that you mention that "young man" he actually WON his medal.

When that same young man ,with just 4 pro fights under his belt ,sparred with Ingo he made him look a bum.Catch it on You Tube.:good
No , I don't speak Swedish, do you think that is a necessary prequisite of evaluating Johansson?
I don't speak much German either,does this preclude me from rating Schmeling?
Filipino neither , so I shouldnt comment on Pacquino?
Listen my little fan boy I've been following boxing for over 50 yrs, no doubt I still have lots to learn , but somehow I don't think you are going to be the one to teach me.
You know JACK ****.:hi:

 

**** you old man....Must have been a fire at the carecenter,allowing you to roam freely..

 

And the sparring didnt look like anything at all on either side.

 

:good

 

OBJECTIVITY
Is the lack of it a national trait, or is it only you who lacks this quality?

 

I didn't realize Johansson had a fan base

 

I named my first born son Jack Ingo. (Jack after Dempsey)

 

Get some glasses,why dont you...

 

SwedeNebie how do you see a fight between Liston and ingo in 1959 going?