INGO vs. Cassius Clay (Sparring session, Fake or ?)

Yey but Ingo wasnt as smart or as good as Doug Jones and he telegraphed his shots more, something Clay would have taken advantage of... He hit harder than Jones and was the champion but that doesnt mean he would have been able to get to a young Cassius Clay.. I think even a young Clay whups him.

I believe i also read that Clay got the better of a prime slick Willie Pastrano when he was still an amatuer.

 

Johansson was better than Doug Jones. You want to see a telegraphed right hand, see Jones vs Harold Johnson. Johansson on the other hand shocked some top men with his right.

 

Ingo really fancied Ali, he said Ali was a good man and a hell of a talented boxer.

Ingo, during his commentating career, was very much a fan of Mike Tyson's aswell.

 

It is a tough life when you have spent too much time training on your lovely girlfriend Birgit, rather than the heavy bag and doing your roadwork.

 

Am I the only one here who would actually give the 4-0 Clay a good chance of beating the Johsnsson and Patterson who fought in 1961 ?

 

Certainly not that Patterson. I think even a 15 rounder with Ingo around that time probably may have been too big an ask. Less sure about that one, though. Ingo's shape wasn't very good and even though he had more experience of going 15, Clay certainly had a body more up to the task.

 

I think Johansson would have run out of gas after 5 or 6 rounds of trying to land a KO punch on young Clay.
Clay was training hard to go 8 or 10 fast rounds at least at that time.

I'm not sure about Patterson. I'd still give Clay a good chance. He was only 19 years old and 190 pounds but he would have certainly been one of the trickiest and toughest opponents Floyd had faced as champion.

Clay would have schooled Tom McNeeley, the other man to fight for the heavyweight title that yesr, in 1961, I believe.

 

This all seems pretty reasonable. I think Floyd would win, but he could well be taken to the limit. Ingo was declining fast around this time, though. Just as you point out.

 

Ingo maybe, but Patterson? I would say highly unlikely.


Pattersons incredible hand speed was trouble for Ali in their two matches.

I cant imagine how a very green Ali would have won, let alone survived, with Patterson at that time.


If I really had to make a proper prediction I would say Patterson defeats Ali in a decisive unanimous 15 round decision with Ali having been felled 3 times, yet miraculously showing enough heart and courage to stick it out till the end.

 

A 190 pound Ali certainly wouldn't present the physical difficulties that a 210 pound Ali did for Patterson.