Ingredients To Defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr & Fighters Who Hold Them

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I agree and have said this as well Pac's jab isn't good and he doesn't have the reach even if he had a good jab to pull it off. This is one of the main reasons why I woudln't favor Pac over PBF. He doesn't have a good jab to keep him honest and when his balls to the wall approcah doesn't work he will be on the end of a boxing lesson.
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Maybe not the firepower but 2x the boxing skills. Margo is too slow too wide and too plodding to beat a guy like PBF who would land on his ass like rain on a tin roof and be gone before he could get off. PBF beats Margo by wide UD.:deal
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly and I've said this from day 1. Baldo is more skilled than margo with just as good of chin if not better.
     
  4. Marnoff

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    Which is interesting why Margarito gets built into some monster by misguided fans, and Baldomir gets put down regularly as a plodder. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that Floyd has beaten Baldomir, so by putting him down, they are trying to take a shot at Floyd. Sad.
     
  5. TBomb 25

    TBomb 25 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd would beat this guy up worst than Mosley did,it would be very similar to the way he tore Gatti apart,god rest his soul,but this would be a very very bad match up.
     
  6. Pimp C

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    Yep If PBF had fought Margo instead of Baldo haters would have said he ducked Baldo who was the champ of the division and Margo was a limited plodder.
     
  7. Uncle Rico

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    Smitty,

    What about the ribs?.....We all know about his rib injury now, and the Floyd’s body is certainly an easier target than his head. Maybe troubling him with body shots will frustrate him, and score you enough points before he adjusts his game plan. To supplement this, power of course would be a bonus. Hurt him, and slow him down, even if it is for just a tad bit. I remember watching a Roach interview in which he briefly touched upon this tactic, and mentioned how when Floyd’s rolls his shoulder to fend off attacks to the head, he leaves the side of his ribs open.
     
  8. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bingo.
     
  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I kind of agree for the most part, I think Pac & JMM would be real good tests stylewise for FMJ, definitely... particularly Manny tho, I see him being able to take Mayweather into very deep waters, with that said tho, Floyd`s ability to come up with a winning formula aka adapt mid fight tells me that it will be Manny who is drowned.
    Mayweather is like all fighters, beatable... Im just not sure the man to do it is currently in operation in this era of boxing.

    JMO :good
     
  10. Uncle Rico

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    Also a few other things on what not to do....

    Don’t slip and counter... the man is too fast and slick for anyone to do this. Anticipating his attacks may prove to be costly, and we’ll probably find out why when we see Marquez attempt his counter punches. Instead, get close and force and exchange, and try and spot that open window (be it the body or head).

    Don’t be so predictable... we all know about Floyd’s fast twitch fibers, that help him avoid shots as well as anticipating and launching his own. He’s very good at spotting what you’re about to do, before avoiding and punishing you. This is where Pacman I think could be successful, his unorthodox style and movement sees him throwing 5-6 combination punches all whilst moving his own head out of harms way. Furthermore, he’ll muddle up overhands and hooks from rare angles. Mix this in with a couple of feints as Smitty has suggested, then maybe you’ll thwart not only the speed of his shots, but his decision making too.
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    From 130-140 (Floyd's optimum weight range), here are some fighters I'd either favor or would give even chances of beating Mayweather:

    Favored- Pernell Whitaker, Roberto Duran, Carlos Ortiz, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ismael Laguna, Wilfred Benitez, Aaron Pryor

    50/50- Henry Armstrong, Azumah Nelson, Hector Camacho, Ike Williams, Jimmy Carter, Ken Buchanan, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Duilio Loi, Antonio Cervantes

    Those are just my odds, not saying Floyd couldn't or wouldn't beat some of those guys. There are certainly some question marks.
     
  12. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    I agree with the names. Do you agree with my assessments though?
     
  13. smitty_son408

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    Good points. That's why I post a tight d as an ingredient. You must keep a your hands up at all times, it helps you defend why also having your punches reach the target as quickly as possible. Being predictable all goes into my assessment of feinting and being versatile throughout the fight, you must make him come forward at different points in the fight to have him off balanced and confused. It also means no LAZY JABS. He would counter them with ease building confidence and causing him to get into rhythm and once that happens your chances dwindle.
     
  14. smitty_son408

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    It all comes down to intelligently stalking jabbing to his chest, forcing him to make one of his cardinal mistakes which is walking himself into the corner and ropes where you can begin scoring shots to the body, this can help wear him down for the later rounds which is helpful seeing that Floyd's stamina is incredible
     
  15. smitty_son408

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    Butcher,

    Thanks for posting, I agree that the chances of someone from this era defeating Floyd is somewhere in the 40% range, the guy is simply in the wrong era to be seriously tested, though fighters like Pac, Williams, and Mosley can push him to show somewhat of his full arsenal.