Innovations in boxing styles - Who were the innovators

“Gentlemen “ Jim Corbett was known as the first scientific boxer

 

By his own words I suppose, because he wasn't scientific at all. He just used his speed advantage to create unorthodox way of fighting.

 

Both Gibbons brothers fought out of the very influential St-Paul style. Jersey Joe created so many tricks-which now have countless variants which have seeped into so many boxers tool kit. Archie Moore is a similar case.

Jack Dempsey (HW) as “primitive” as he was, was fantastically influential. Black Burn and Gans too.

As @greynotsoold once said- “nothing is new you just don’t know who they stole it form” I’m paraphrasing a little- but essentially we might not know where a lot of things come from because it may just be a lineal thing with a communal effort so to speak for all we know Dempsey may have seen his roll done by someone else we’ve never heard of changed it a little to suit himself and made it popular and before that stranger was probably another.

 

His leverages where a little shallow- care to explain how unscientific he was?

 

You're getting boring very fast.

 

Agreed.

But Boxing is notorious for being a sport which gets the training advancements later than they should do.

I remember in 2009/10 when many Boxers still didn't have a S&C program!

 

That's what I thought you are a cop-out.

 

Since a few people mentioned the cross guard, you can find a reference to it, in a boxing manual from the late 1700s (Boxing Reviewed if anyone cares). Though I don't know of any prominent bareknuckle boxers who actually used it.

I doubt anyone deserves the credit for inventing it.

 

Jeffries- Crouch
LaMotta- playing possum
Kecthel- shift
Griffo/Johnson- picking off punches, with glove ( open or otherwise )
Langford- naming the round
prob more but too much grape last night... keep well.

 

Yea, agree with the Garcia point, for decades we thought it was The Keeed. keep well.

 

Sullivan already fought out of the crouch and he likely wasn't the first one to do so!

Fitzsimmons used shifts before Ketchel was born.

 

It’s a weird thing- if you let two untrained people spar for long enough they start to develop there own unique rudimentary skills it’s like watching the fish grow legs when they start jabbing instead of flaying around.

leave them long enough and they might just start blocking with there elbows them wah lah someone just invented the cross guard.

 

People were doing it long ago but it wasn't the focal point of training. I have been told that it was being used in the 20s in Mexico.
Frankly, it is a vastly overrated part of training because it has become an ego thing for too many people. If you have spent enough time watching, you notice that the most common ingrained bad habits that you see in fighters come directly from mitt work.

 

What would you cite as the most common ingrained bad mitt habits that you've noticed?

 

Keeping the head in one place when throwing a series of punches, and throwing punches from the top down.
Ideally, you throw punches from the floor up and turn your body over the foot that has the weight on it; since the head moves as part of the body it is a built in defense, it that makes sense.
But it also makes it hard to keep your eyes on the mitts when doing a long routine.