Inoue & Usyk: we're spoiled

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I think a lot of fans either don't realize or take for granted just how far ahead of the pack this pair are, in terms of talent & skill. Olly celebrated his 38th birthday last Friday. Naoya will be turning a ripe old 32 in just eleven weeks' time - which for somebody that began at light flyweight makes his ring age roughly equivalent to his cruiser & heavyweight contemporary's.

    Within a few years, we'll no longer be watching either of them - and will be poorer off for it. The void will be felt starkly and undeniably when it sets in. Sure, there will be new top pound for pound fighters - but unless there's a miracle prospect that has thus far flown under the radar I doubt we're getting anything close to Inoue and Usyk for a while, let alone two at once.

    The last time we had two as great campaigning simultaneously was probably Mayweather & Pacquiao. And honestly? This duo is more complete. Inoue's power & speed are comparable to Pac's, but his skillset and ring IQ clear the Filipino's rather easily. Usyk is just as intelligent and precise a counter-punching genius as was Mayweather, but far more powerful relative to his weight class (at least compared with PBF above lightweight).

    And no, I'm not "overlooking" Saúl Álvarez or Terence Crawford. They're both very good fighters, and have long deservingly been ranked consensus top 5 p4p. Canelo is the sport's biggest star and draw in the world. Bud is part of the same very exclusive club as Inoue and Usyk, being undisputed in the four belt era. That's it, however. There are "the guys that happen to be top 5 p4p in any given time period" - and then you have the much rarer generational talents, which IMO neither of those qualifies as. Inoue and Usyk are special - in a way that may not be fully appreciated by most until after they're gone.

    Remaining undefeated isn't the be-all end-all, of course - but for these gents to have done so with the résumés they have, with championships in a combined six divisions to show for it? All after A++ amateur careers? That's nothing to shrug off. (Crawford also hasn't lost - but his best opponent was compromised and the rest fall well short of his peers' best). If they both manage to ride off into the sunset and retire with their zeroes intact, they'll be the unusual modern instances of it meaning something and mattering - a lot.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Footage of Naoya Inoue and Oleksandr Usyk bouts should be preserved in the Library of Congress, and shot into satellites in outer space in case of contact with aliens. They exemplify what boxing is. Forget about passing an eye test, Inoue & Usyk are the answer sheets. :deal:
     
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  3. AdamT

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    Better fighters have retired and the sport moved on

    Someone will take their place
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I acknowledged that. Whoever slides in to fill those spots isn't going to be anywhere near as good. That was...kind of my whole point.
     
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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you know? Perhaps not right away, but someone always comes along

    Better fighters imo retired in recent years than both and the sport is fine
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Who?
     
  7. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd and Manny
    Look at their competition compared to the level of opponents these 2 fight

    How many p4p stars or hof fighters has inoue or usyk fought
     
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  8. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    I agree, they’re almost as impressive as Pacquiao and Mayweather were, which is saying something…. But also makes the point that @AdamT did..

    Inoue is awesome, his lack of competition is frustrating (but less frustrating than his fans pretending he had some kind of ATG resume…)

    That’s not fault of his own though.

    What are you basing Inoue being a better boxer than Pacquiao on? Beating decade past prime Donaire or never that good Fullton?

    Plenty of fighters have “looked” like they have sublime skills and failed to prove it when faced with enough challenge… and I think Inoue is awesome and great, but not better than Pacquiao….

    When his skills lead him to a win over top ranked welterweights, I’ll say they surpass Pacs.

    Usyk has a better case for being right there with them, and maybe surpassing them in some way..
     
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  9. Flo_Raiden

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    Well to be fair those 2 fighters were once in a generation ATGs and it's hard for any fighters to come close to their achievements even for great fighters like Inoue and Usyk.

    Still can't take away what Inoue and Usyk have been doing though. They're bringing a lot of excitement in boxing while showing dominance in the ring.
     
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  10. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You compare usyk to Floyd
    He gets hit way more often and not as accurate against subpar opponents

    Usyks punch stats are miles behind Floyd

    Both great fighters, but manny and Floyd were greater
     
  11. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed
    Pac is a phenom
     
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  12. Flo_Raiden

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    The biggest frustration of Inoue's career is him missing out on facing the likes of Chocolatito, Gallo, and SSR. Had he actually fought and perhaps beat all of them his resume would be even more enhanced and his ATG status would be irrefutable IMO.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Usyk cleaned out cruiserweight - cleaned it out spotlessly, spick & span, didn't miss a crumb. Then he cleaned out HW. As far as missed opportunities - what, Wilder, the overrated one-dimensional banger that lost officially twice (unofficially thrice) against the guy Usyk beat twice?

    I don't see what more you could possibly have asked of Usyk in either division. He faced the best available and proved he was levels above them.

    Inoue, similarly, has mowed through everyone across multiple classes. Who did he duck or miss? It isn't his fault there isn't a stack of ATG talent for him to beat in his size range. All he can do is dominate who there is - and he has.

    Mayweather's "bad day at the office" meant getting a gift over JLC. Pac's meant getting KTFO by Torrecampo, Singsurat and JMM. The closest to a bad day at the office you can point out for Usyk is what, a close but clear UD over Dereck Chisora in just his sophomore outing at HW, coming off more than a year of rust? And for Inoue? Dude has lost just a handful of rounds, and most of them early ones because he's a slow starter. His big embarrassing worst day at the office was what - not stopping Donaire the first time? Getting dropped by Nery and then nuking him in response?
     
  14. MagnificentMatt

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    100%, man what a dream those would have been!
     
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  15. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk had close fights in both and he also fought lesser guys. How many p4p or future hof stars did he beat?

    Also easier to stay undefeated with many less fights and fighting once per year

    Usyk is phenomenal, but his resume doesn't stack up

    Capturing 4 belts is no different to previous eras having, 1, 2 or 3

    Manny and Floyd were lineal champs in multiple divisions, especially pacquiao

    Pacquiao came off the best (going by results) with a series of fights with 3 superstars, barrera, Morales and Marquez

    Tell me who has usyk or inoue beaten at that level?