Inoue & Usyk: we're spoiled

This is true, but not as much on this forum currently

But I think this is best left here. It's an opinion that will get me banned and I'm enjoying troll free live debating on here

 

Crawford is not a natural Welterweight lol he walks around heavier than Marvin Hagler for crying out loud.

A 37 year old Mayweather already schooled Canelo 12-0.

 

Agreed. It was certainly worse before and has always been more of an issue on other boards.

Cheers.

 

No way Crawfords natural weight is heavier than Haglers

Mayweather beat Canelo at 152. Mayweather didn't beat 168 pound Canelo (with no rehydration clause)

 

Are you for real ? Crawford has walked around as heavy as 180 Hagler was a small Middleweight and wasn't cutting huge amounts of weight either.

Canelo weighed a grand total of 1 pound less compared to his previous fight and outweighed Mayweather by 15 pounds come fight night.

Infact Crawford will have less of a weight disadvantage than Mayweather had when he fought Canelo.

 

If we are talking vintage Pacquiao, we cannot forget his insane work rate. Almost nobody can maintain his level of speed and power into the championship rounds after such enormous amounts of high effort punches.

Also, Usyk and Inoue are higher character men than Mayweather and Pacquiao. And I say this even though Pacqiuao is my favorite boxer. Both these men are incredible men when it comes to content of character. It's completely irrelevant to their boxing skills, but I'll add it nonetheless.

 

Also, we need to drop the pretense around Mayweather having a couple of in their prime greats on his ledger. People like to point out Usyk and Inoue lack any historical p4p greats in their prime on their resume as a way to elevate Mayweather.

I don't think they see the errors in their logic. A 2015 Pac or a 2008 DLH is not what any boxing historian would recognize as a great p4p fighter at or near the peak of his powers.

Mayweather didn't do it either.

 

No one says Mayweather beat a bunch of prime ATGs, but he did reign over an era that had some talented and strong contenders.

Inoue has not. His win over Donaire is similar to Floyd’s win over Pacquiao, solid win over a guy well past his best…. But Pacquiao is like… levels greater than Donaire, as great as Donaire was.

Mayweather probably has like a dozen wins better than Inoues second best win after Donaire….

As I’ve said before, Usyks resume is great. He cleaned out a stacked cruiserweight division and went up to heavyweight to beat the two best guys, who are pretty damn good.

 

My knowledge of boxing gets a little fuzzy below 122 pounds. Inoue's ledger seems less impressive than Usyk's to me. But it could be ignorance. I'm just not that knowledgeable about the chick weights.

 

You’d know if there was more to know about, the reason we know Usyks cruiser reign was solid is not because cruiser is a popular division….if you catch my drift…

 

Fulton is a homeless version of Mayweather and Neri is an illegal immigrant version of Morales.Thumpales is well dunno a **** son of Manny.Not one in resume are pnd for pnd talent.Even an old version of Floyd that Pac fought is 3 times better than all of his opps combined.

 

I think Bam is just as good as inoue technically. Monster just has heavier hands. But at 24 Bam is more accomplished than Inoue was. Even if you say his signature wins were past prime, they’re still better than the randoms monster had at that point. None have pulled a Donaire on him yet.
Only gripe I have about Usyk is the lack of top talent at hw. I think a great cruiser should be able to beat this particular roster of heavies.
Both are top talents, but lack some names that will matter historically. Donaire and supporting cast will not look as impressive in 20 years. And aj and fury are aj and fury…not fully complete.
Not their fault competition is lacking, but you don’t award extra points because of it.

 

Yeah, Pac is a rare case of not just having that ability but also the opponents to test it against. Of course, he found those opponents by going further up the weight classes than previously thought possible. It's like Inoue would square off with Tank and Loma et al.

I love Inoue, though, and think he's done everything right so far, but I hope he moves up to 126 soon. One gets spoiled, but seeing him casually destroying everyone at 122 just doesn't hold that much excitement.

 

Agreed my intent is not to diss inoue or Usyk, but merely point out May and Pacs greatness, especially pac regarding opponents and weight hopping

Inoue imo is the best fighter today. Usyk only ranks higher because it's heavier weight classes and more marketable names he has beaten. But I prefer to watch inoue fight and I do agree with the OP regarding how complete he is. Certainly more complete than Manny in mannys earlier years. But better? Not imo

 

I think Inoue still might have about 5 years left at a level similar to the one today, so I'll wait with a conclusion there. But he certainly has ways to go before even equalling Pac.

As for Usyk, there's just very little left for him to do. He has done pretty much what you can ask of someone starting at CW. Yes, the winner Parker-Dubois and Kabayal or Bakole would be nice, but certainly not game changers.