Inoue vs Fulton is the most significant Super Bantamweight Fight since...?

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Inoue vs Fulton is the most significant Super Bantamweight Fight since...?

  1. Wilfredo Gomez vs Carlos Zarate

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  2. Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera I

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  3. Israel Vazquez vs Rafael Marquez (I-III)

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  4. Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Nonito Donaire

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  5. Other (What?)

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  1. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Thought I'll ask this question here, since I was wondering about it.

    How do historians feel about significance as well as the combined level of ability of contestants in the upcoming Super Bantamweight Fight between Naoya Inoue and Stephen Fulton.
    Basically, the question is - what was the last fight at Super Bantamweight which was as much or more significant and involved two fighters with higher combined level of abilities.
    If You could take litle time to explain why, I'd appreciate it. Hoping for good discussion here.

    Thank You.
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Rigondeaux v. Donaire mattered a lot more. That was a unification for all of the belts and both were better than Fulton by a good margin. Inoue also hasn't proven that he's the same guy at 122.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This both were the number 1 and 2 in the division, it was considered a pretty even fight on paper.

    Fulton whilst being solid fighter wasn't on the same level as Donaire or Rigondeaux.

    Plus most believe Inoue will walk straight through Fulton, even if Inoue is untested in the division.
     
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  4. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    I think Donaire is more comparable to Inoue here - since He's been coming up through weights just like Naoya. I think Nonito had superior resume coming into Rigondeaux fight. At the very least He had better stand-out wins over Darchinyan and Montiel - and also big difference was He already established himself at Super Bantamweight and beat 3 of the belt-holders, while for Inoue it's going to be first fight at that weight.

    If We compare Fulton and Rigondeaux though - Fulton has clearly the superior resume and is more of a proven quality coming into this fight. Maestrito Cordoba and Rico Ramos were stand-out wins for Rigondeaux, neither rated very highly at the time.

    I might be wrong, but I think betting odds for Donaire vs Rigo were pretty similar as for this one - so both Rigondeaux and Fulton were seen as lively underdogs. I remember there were a lot of questions about Rigondeaux's chin at that stage.

    I tend to agree with Yourself and @NoNeck - since I see Donaire as a bit better fighter than Inoue and Rigondeaux better fighter than Fulton, but I'm curious if We get some other opitnions here.
     
  5. Flo_Raiden

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    I do notice that these notable 122 fights listed, including Inoue vs Fulton, consists of fighters where one of them is an established 122 champ (Wilfredo Gomez, Erik Morales, Israel Vazquez, Stephen Fulton) while the other one was either just moving up (Rafael Marquez, Carlos Zarate, Naoya Inoue) or became a champ while not beating anyone of note (Barrera, Rigondeaux).

    If we are to talk about the last real significant fight between two 122 pound champs then it would have to be Donaire vs Rigo.

    Inoue vs Fulton is certainly a big deal though because even though Inoue is the one moving up and hasn't made a mark at the weight he's still favored to beat Fulton and could likely be the second 2 time undisputed champ (assuming Crawford beats Spence) if he beats the best 122 fighter in Fulton. Fulton is also facing a Top 3 P4P fighter as well.
     
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  6. NoNeck

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    Ricardo Cordoba was on par with Inoue’s best wins, having beaten Celestino Caballero and drawn twice with Sydorenko.

    Inoue and Donaire are similar in terms of dominant performances, but Donaire has a clear edge in competition and had notably beaten Nishioka at 122 and unified other 122 belts leading into the Rigondeaux fight.

    It’s pointless to compare Rigondeaux’s resume to other fighters. He was the best h2h ever at 122 imo and I think anyone who has him worse than number 2 is lying to themselves. He didn’t get enough opportunities but he did get the Donaire fight and did have the best am credentials of any 122 champ and almost any fighter period.
     
  7. Flo_Raiden

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    Rigondeaux was talented and skilled at what he did but definitely not the best H2H fighter at 122. Wilfredo Gomez is still the best fighter at that weight and would have beaten Rigo quite handily.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    Like I said, if you have him worse than number 2 h2h, you're wrong.

    I think he would've beaten Gomez too.
     
  9. Flo_Raiden

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    Jeff Fenech has a case at being number 2 H2H fighter at 122 behind Gomez. I don’t think that’s wrong at all.

    Rigo was talented but he squandered it. Donaire fight aside, Rigo hasn’t shown anything that he would be able to beat Gomez, besides winning a SD against Cordoba. The only fighters that have beaten Gomez were guys that were bigger and pushed him back, which is not the kind of fighter Rigo is.
     
  10. Young Terror

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    The guy goes life and death with Ricardo Cordoba, Gets dropped twice against Bum ass Amagasa and was out on his feet against Marroquin of all ppl and he's the best h2h fighter at 122 ever and would beat Wilfred Gomez lmao this is is reddit and YouTube comment section level of stupidity.. Embarrassing lmao.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    Lol at “Donaire fight aside.” Rigo didn’t come close to losing at 122 and lower until he was ancient.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You’re inventing facts and that avatar suggests butthurt. Rigo would have Inoue’s face swollen up and punch stats looking abysmal. Speaking of swollen faces, I remember Inoue having to survive a hellacious beating from a washed up fighter who Rigo outclassed at his absolute peak.
     
  13. Flo_Raiden

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    Neither did Gomez.

    The Donaire fight is Rigo's only notable big fight that he won, that's not enough to tell me that he's H2H best at 122 when compared to Gomez. It also doesn't bode well when Rigo is mostly remembered for his quit job on his stool when things don't go his way. That's already an indicator that he wouldn't hang with guys like Gomez or Fenech who were known to rough up fighters.
     
  14. Young Terror

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    Noneck more like Nobrain Lmao. That **** you posted makes zero sense as it's usual the case with your goofy ass . Log Off.
     
  15. Mastrangelo

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    Easy fellas. Head-to-head ranking of fighters is always so subjective, that there's no way to really prove anyone wrong - but problem with Rigondeaux's - relatively - thin resume is He did not prove He can handle all the various styles, which would make a claim of him being one of the greatest H2H at his weight, easier to support.
    He never really fought a high caliber swarmer - someone even somewhat comparable to Fenech - for example. With his lack of inside game, I wouldn't be shocked if He shared Samart's fate there.

    I'd like to hear from members who voted for Gomez vs Zarate - what makes this fight more significant than other fights mentioned, in your view?
     
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