Inoue would OUTBOX and STOP Lomachenko at 126

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  1. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 24, 2005
    Fair enough.

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  2. Curlew

    Curlew Member Full Member

    Dec 11, 2020
    Like someone judging Only Fools and Horses by its shitty last three episodes, or Bob Dylan by his 80s output, or RJJ by his last ten fights, there seem to be people who are happy to judge Loma purely on what he's done at 135. I remember his run through the lower divisions, where he was making a mockery of fighters just like that Ben Whittaker is doing now - except Loma was doing it against the best in the divisions. He was just... unreal.

    He chased glory at higher weights in a fearless manner that should cause a lot of his contemporaries to feel shame. That he isn't swatting people aside two weights above his best class is hardly a reflection on his greatness as a boxer. People need to remember just how good his run at lower weights was, and to put some respect on his name when talking about him at 135. I don't think the move up was the best thing for him career wise, but the story isn't finished yet.

    None of this has anything to do with Inoue. Your post just made me want to join in the Loma admiration. Simply a Great boxer.
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Yes. Very well said. The fact that Loma is clearly way more undersized in his 3rd weight class than Crawford and Inoue are in their 4th (5th from the one Inoue started out at), especially Crawford who looks drained on the scales at 147 and says it's tough to make that weight now too, and the size disparity between him and his opponents at that weight is much greater than it is between them and theirs (and you can see this as clear as day) gets conveniently ignored and I'm not trying to knock those fighters because they're both excellent, elite skilled, great fighters and good to watch.

    Had Loma turned pro aged 19-20 like they did 135 would be at least his 5th weight class with same day weigh ins. Hence why he looks so tiny at that weight. Both of them are rehydrating ever so slightly more or a lot more in Crawford's case at their 4th weight classes (5th from the one Inoue started out at) than the maximum Loma ever did at his first weight class

    Even Clenelo at his 5th weight class LHW only weighed 3-5lbs max less than Bivol and a couple of pounds if that less than Kovalev iwho was coming in lighter by that stage of his career and Clenelo was only giving away 2 inches in reach and 2.5 respectively to them. That's child's play for Loma

    He moved up to 135 because he dared to be great and his dream was/is to become undisputed and he couldn't achieve that at the lower weights because he was being shamelessly ducked by the other champs or fights against them couldn't get made for whatever reason.

    And unlike so many of these other multiple weight world champions and multiple weight greats he didn't jack himself with PEDs to help him bridge the gap to compete against bigger or much bigger opponents

    And he has never tried to weaken his opponents at the negotiating table with catchweights and rehydration clauses like some of his peers have despite the fact he's routinely giving away a lot or a huge amount of weight and reach, much more so than they were against their opponents they forced to fight them at catchweights or slapped rehydration clauses on

    And he doesn't run like a cheetah or hold like an octopus against these much bigger men like many others do

    Doesn't duck or dodge certain styles like many others do

    Doesn't avoid or duck punchers, even ones way bigger than him, like many others do

    And he isn't a have gloves, won't travel ''warrior'' who if they do dare to be great only do so on a deck stacked heavily in their favour at home with a home ref and three home judges where they're essentially rolling with loaded dice

    He does it the right and honourable way fighting them at full strength on the road or in their backyards with home refs and judges and he gets ZERO credit from so many of these clowns for doing so, whereas, the blow industrial mounts of smoke up the asses of their have gloves won't travel deck-stacking, ducking, cheating, loaded dice rolling favs for doing the complete opposite
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  4. Johnny1987

    Johnny1987 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 20, 2019
    Very surprised I haven’t seen a thread created that suggests Inoue would stop Lennox Lewis.
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  5. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

    Dec 1, 2012
    You guys really have some imagination...

    But what if...

    If Loma turns pro at 21, he loses the advantage of his vast amateur experience. He never meets Bob Arum. He begins his career as a relative unknown Ukranian fighter, fighting at home in front of small crowds against bums, devoid of the hype that allowed him to bypass all of the ranked fighters at 126 to get an immediate title shot.

    He doesn't fight 4-5 times a year, as Eurasian fighters simply don't do that (see Bivol, Beterbiev, Usyk, etc.)

    At about age 25, he finally gets a reasonable amount of fights under his belt to contend for a title at 126; the exact age that he fought Salido at. If he tries a bit earlier, maybe he runs into Gamboa.

    The only obvious difference is that maybe he doesn't get to cherrypick Salido for his first title shot.

    It's interesting that Loma finished his amateur career at 132, then drained back down to 126 to begin his career as a weight bully, and how everyone pretends that he's so tiny at a weight he competed in 12 years ago.

    He could've moved up much earlier and had a much better resume, but he didn't. What's with all this fiction crap?
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  6. Easyrhino

    Easyrhino Member banned Full Member

    Oct 19, 2020
    Loma all the way.

    And don't forget boys, Loma did something that no boxer in any division ever did; made 4 consecutive fighters quit on their stool:

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  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Momento mori Full Member

    Mar 5, 2012
    The Monster reboots the matrix
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    loma would be too weak at 126. tank would go empty second half of the fight. at 130 loma would have too big an advantage over inoue. by the time inoue is ready for a 130 lb guy, loma will have probably lost the defensive speed.
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  9. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

    Jan 28, 2018
    Different cultures do different things and have different values; whether one is better or not can be subjective. I don’t know why the Eastern European guys stay in the amateurs so long; maybe there’s a national glory involved that Americans don’t get or value? Being an American gold medalist was nowhere near as important for David Reid and Andre Ward as it was Cassius Clay, George Foreman and Sugar Ray Leonard. And bronze medalists like Spence and Wilder are pretty meh to the overall average sports fan. I don’t know, but I do imagine that Loma and Golovkin were national treasures before turning pro. Ward, Reid, Spence and Wilder would’ve been hometown heroes for the most part.
    As far as Loma getting some extra credit for fighting for a world title in only his second pro fight, I agree that it’s not that impressive considering his vast amateur championship experience.
    Regarding your comment about Loma “draining down 6lbs being a weight bully”, isn’t unique to Loma. Ward won gold at 178, Spence fought at 152, and Porter fought at middleweight in the ams and turned pro at 165! I don’t know, but maybe the ams have same day weigh ins?
    But no matter how you cut it, Loma is a small pro lightweight. By any and all metrics used, he is a small lightweight.
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  10. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
    At 126 both in their primes I favor Loma. He was unbeatable at the at weight.
  11. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 16, 2017
    Loma would brutalise Inoue, If Inoue fights Loma before Loma is 38 and wins, I'll delete my account.

    Hell, even if Inoue wins 2 rounds I'll do that, Inoue wouldn't land a punch on Loma, Loma is unbeatable Vs smaller men, just look at his performance Vs Rigo, he completely neutralised him.
  12. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Dec 2, 2013
    I'd bet the house on Loma.
  13. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

    May 9, 2012
  14. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 14, 2014
    If Salido and Lopez could beat him, then there is no doubt that Inoue can do it, too.
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    The 11lb heavier Salido only beat a 1-0 Loma who hadn't been past 5 rounds before due to corruption rearing it's ugly head again when the most corrupt ref in the game allowed Salido to do this to Loma from first to last bell without deducting a single point from him despite the fact he categorically should've DQ'd him for it.

    Had he just deducted a solitary point the fight would've been a draw and how anyone can watch this and come to the conclusion it didn't warrant, at the bare minimum, multiple point deductions I don't know. Well, actually I do. It's just pure hate :lol:

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    Somehow Cole's eagle eye managed to pick out Dirrell and Abraham's feet getting a bit tangled in order to not call a KD fir the foreigner but he managed to miss all of those low blows, many of which so flagrant Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could've seen them from a mile away.

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    As for Teofimo. You mean the much bigger murderous punching KO artist with devastating one shot power in either hand who was doing this to lightweights and very durable 154lb giant lightweights like Commey who'd never been dropped or stopped?

    Whose power put the massive 160lb former undisputed 140 champion Josh Taylor in his shell up at 140?

    Again, I love Inoue and I will defend him against any other fighter on the planet other than Loma and Usyk but they just cant stop with the hate

    Imagine what a Teofimo bomb would do to Inoue? That's a one round fight and a brutal HL reel KO loss for Inoue and we all know it

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