Inoue's next opponent, Paul Butler, is awful

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Since losing his fight for the IBF title against Emmanuel Rodriguez in 2018, Paul Butler has faced a string of unknown fighters in local 6 or 8 rounders. He then defeated 18-5 journeyman Jonas Sultan to claim the WBO interim bantamweight title. One thing led to another and he was elevated (email champ!). Now he's squaring off in a mega stadium in Tokyo against a fella I'm told is P4P #1.

    So in a year or so he went from:

    Local 6 rounder with 350 drunk pub goers ----> TOKYO MegaStadium vs. P4P #1

    Make no mistake, folks, this is a DREADFUL opponent for someone who is held in such high regard by some. I understand Inoue wants belts yada yada, but people need to discuss the lack of DEPTH at these lighter weight classes. The HW division gets **** on constantly for depth falling off after the top 15, but these tiny weight classes 2 pounds apart with 6 belts per division are a complete joke. Belts are totally meaningless when within 10 pounds you have 30 f***ing belts.

    View this fight with a mindset that belts mean nothing (the guy is an email champ to boot, my god) and compare and contrast this fight with some Deontay Wilder executions. It's actually worse as Inoue is an even bigger favorite than Wilder usually is (Inoue is a 33-1 favorite here).

    Happy to hear about how I'm wrong and it's blasphemous that even suggest heroic Inoue is anything but the p4p#1 GOAT.
     
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  2. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Inoue got you triggered?

    :lol:
     
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  3. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's not lieing
     
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  4. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Paul Butler is a 2x champion. An email champion is somebody who is handed the title without having to fight for it. He had to fight for the title. You're completely wrong when you say he was "elevated", he fought for and won a vacant title.

    Paul Butler whooped Sultan, who beat Casimero. He stepped in to fight both guys, and won the title. What more could he have done?

    Butler is a multi-time champion and rated by both TBRB and The Ring, how is he comparable to a Wilder opponent? Wilder beat up on journeymen and old men. Butler is neither a journeyman nor an old man, so he is better than every Wilder opponent. Inoue is a larger favorite over contenders than Wilder over journeymen because Inoue is much better at BW than Wilder is at HW.
     
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  5. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not like Paul Butler was on Inoue's radar from the get-go. Butler only got the belt because Casimero blew it by getting himself stripped of the belt, was replaced by Jonas Sultan, and the belt that Casimero was stripped from was vacant which was then given to Butler when he won. Wouldn't say that Butler is awful but definitely not the best opponent either. Inoue just needs the last belt to be undisputed before he moves up to fight bigger game such as Fulton and MJ. Only then will we finally see Inoue fight guys that are more threatening.
     
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  6. Jpreisser

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    It's one of the worst opponents for "undisputed" but that's the possibility you face when every class has been hollowed out by the addition of junior/super divisions. Butler is really more of a fringe contender than anything and Inoue should have gotten this over with a lot quicker, given his two-round destruction of Donaire.

    It also highlights how dumb the "4-belt era" is. In a bygone era, you would laugh at the proposal that someone like Butler is an impediment to Inoue's claim as "undisputed". You can't blame Inoue, though. He's working within the structure that he's inherited.
     
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  7. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nicely said.
     
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  8. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be fair it's not any worse than when Terence Crawford won the undisputed title by beating Indongo as well.
     
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  9. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is largely the whole point of this thread. With champion legitimacy so fractured, and fractured exponentially more by so many weight classes, the gathering of one of the shards of said legitimacy by way of a 33-1 underdog fringe contender MUST be derided by the modern boxing fan. The sport has altered what it means to be a champion, and so too must we alter our expectations of those who we see as true champions.
     
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  10. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree, good post.
     
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  11. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    He's still triggered.

    :nusenuse:

    Inoue's fighting the guy that sonned the guy that sonned Casimero.

    Casimero also pulled out of the fight with Butler the first time and then couldn't keep it together when they rescheduled it.

    Casimero declined a 2021 December fight with Inoue, which is why he fought Dipaen. Russell and Warren also declined to fight Inoue.

    And let's not forget that Casimero talked his way out of a fight with Donaire.

    Inoue violently KO'd the number 1, 2, and 3 ranked guys at 118 anyways. If he had skipped Butler and gone straight to 122, people would say he ducked him.

    :lol:

    Butler can't win, but he may make it surprisingly competitive until the eventual end. And Butler's better than Indongo, who Crawford beat to become undisputed.

    :lol:

    At the same time...

    We have seen some insane upsets...

    Mikey-Sandor
    Kambosos-Lopez
    Lopez-Lomachenko
    Ruiz-Joshua
    Conceicao-Valdez
    Berchelt-Valdez
     
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  12. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    That's fine and all, but you took shots at Inoue and tried to up Wilder.

    Are you aware that Inoue KO'd the Top 3 guys at 118? So Inoue's not a true champion?

    Idiot.

    :lol:
     
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  13. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Casimero didn't avoid Nonito it was actually him & his wife who didn't want it,

    Plus i believe he had stomach problems when he couldn't compete & was stripped,

    Casimero vs Inoue would have been better any way instead.
     
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  14. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder is rightly slated for fighting journeymen as a 15-1 favorite. In an era where belts are meaningless and Inoue is doing the same thing, it's only appropriate to call it out. Both fighters will get a highlight reel KO, and the casuals will go wild.

    When did I say Inoue isn't a true champion? I'm saying he IS, and that's why he doesn't need to be a 33-1 favorite fighting for some trinket.

    I'm afraid it's you who is the idiot.
     
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  15. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Call out Inoue...

    For fighting the guy that holds the remaining belt as if he had a say in who would become the WBO champion?

    So Inoue should have skipped Butler because YOU don't think Butler is worthy?

    You made a dumb thread.
     
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