Interesting successful strategies ...

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That reminds me of something an upper-level club fighter from my town did back in the early 1980s.

    He was rematching a guy who he had barely beaten. The guy was an octopus who non-stop clinched and tried to rough him up, pinning an arm and slinging him around.

    You can't get away with putting baby oil or vaseline on your arms to make them slick. His father came up with the idea of using cocoa butter ... they massaged cocoa butter in his arms all day leading up to the fight, it absorbs into the pores. When he started sweating it out, he was easily able to pull his slick arms out from the clinches and punch the guy who was wide open from concentrating on trying to clinch him.
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good move. Very imaginative.

    I'll also add in a couple more unique strategies. Sammy Fuentes, a decent 140 lber back in the '90s, when an opponent was clinching with him, Fuentes would start bouncing on the ***** of his feet. One fighter was laying all over him, laying his face on his shoulder and when Fuentes started his jarring motion, he actually dislocated the fighter's jaw when his shoulder was bouncing off of him.

    Also, I would add in the Jimmy Young head-outside-the ropes tactic when he fought Ali. He was chastised at the time, but I recognised it as an old wrestling move. When in a bit of distress, the wrestler would stick his head outside the ropes, which would instigate an immediate break.
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I remember Fuentes doing that....smart move.
     
  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting tactic.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Read what Kid McCoy did.

    A master of cuts with his corkscrew punch and hand wraps. McCoy had a way of twisting his fist upon impact to create cuts. This was legal, much of his other antics were not.

    Throwing tacks down in the ring before the start of a fight with a barefoot fighter, then knocking him out when he stepped on one.

    In a key fight, McCoy corner once sprayed ammonia into his opponents face.
    Or faking an illness vs. Tommy Ryan who didn't train hard because of it, then coming into the ring fit as can be.

    Or fighting a man in the bar who said he wasn't who he claimed to be. After being thrashed the patron said something like “ Oh my, that was the real McCoy "
     
  6. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Diego Corrales and the mouthpiece
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I never thought Young should have been penalized for that,...it was imaginative. If Ali had done it , it would have been just one more thing that his legion of idolizers would be praising him for today.
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A few more to think of:

    1) Young Corbett when facing Terry McGovern, did everything in his ****nal to **** off McGovern before the fight so that he had an absolutely seething animal across the ring from him. It worked of course. McGovern knew nothing about counter-punching and he was an open target for Corbett.

    2) Max Schmeling executed the perfect plan against Joe Louis in their first fight when he watched Louis on film dropping his jab on its return. He laid in the weeds until he timed it perfect and boom!

    3) Chiquita Gonzalez turning boxer in the 2nd and 3rd fights with Carbajal. I recall a magazine article stating, "Could Rocky Marciano fight like Willie Pep?"
     
  9. Saintpat

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    The Rock couldn't, but Roberto Duran could.

    First fight against Esteban DeJesus he came rushing out aggressively and got caught with a perfect hook and dropped in the first round, took his first defeat on a 10-round decision.

    In the rematch, Duran came right at him again ... and ran into another left hook and was dropped in the first round again. Came back to win.

    In the third fight, Ray Arcel told him if he went at DeJesus like that again it would happen the same way. So Duran switched tactics and boxed Esteban's ears off before stopping him. Masterclass performance that showed he was more than just a pressure fighter, and the birth of the Duran who became a legend.
     
  10. red cobra

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    1. It's good that Gonzales had that Willie Pep thing going for him, like Gene Fullmer being able to box...cause Chiquita sure as hell didn't have a chin like Rocky's.
    2. Fight #3 with DeJesus was Duran at his best IMO.
     
  11. red cobra

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    Both Willie Pastrano and Carlos Ortiz had similar strategies vs their respective opponents Harold Johnson and Joe Old Bones Brown....they both boxed, refused to lead, and concentrated of the jab at the almost total expense of their right hands.
     
  12. Gannicus

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    I swear Gene Tunney or another ATG said something about McCoy to illustrate the type of man he is...i.e he just wants to enjoy to see you lose money or something.

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    Anyway, the most famous strategy was Ali-Foreman. Foreman is punched out.

    Salido against Lomachenko - taking FULL advantage of a fighter who had no pro experience. Used low blows to set up other punches as well as effective aggression, as he knew he wouldn't win the fight on a pure boxing match (even though Lomachenko was pacing himself excessively).
     
  13. N_ N___

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    He broke the weigh in rules horribly and had an incompetent ref on his side. Not sure if that quite fits in the thread.
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, and it wasn't something he came in the ring with as he didn't start the rope-a-dope until the 3rd when he said there was no way he could've maintained the pace of the first two rounds. It was an Ad-Hoc plan that was performed in the field. Quite brilliant. There were two more similar let-the-bruiser-punch-himself-out plans I remember. The Marlon Starling-Lloyd Honeyghan match. Starling fought with that high peek-a-boo style and let Honeyghan spend himself while making him pay with subtle counters. Also, the Michael Watson-Nigel Benn fight. Same thing. Both plans let the puncher bang away at their high guard and then taken out.
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually Ali started his ropeadope in round 2. Round one Ali discovered a number of troubling issues:

    1. Heavily padded ring canvas. Nearly impossible to move side to side without exhausting yourself.

    2. Foreman much faster than anticipated.

    3. Foreman cutting the ring superbly.

    At the end of round one Ali realized it was a matter of time before he runs into a Foreman bomb. So he let George come to him, controlled the action, and won the fight.