International Amateur Athletic Federation drops the BOMB on Russia today!

I can easily make a thread about American PED abuse in comparison to its Western European counterparts, and show how much more dirty and PED riddled the United States is compared to Western Europe. I would make the points that ANY success that American athletes had over Western Europe was because of PED's, since statistically speaking American athletes are all, or most of them are on steroids, so we should not trust their accomplishments over Western European countries :yep American dominance in boxing over Western Europe was because of PED's :rofl You can twist the arguments they are using, as your own.

They cannot deal in logical debates, if Russia does well in boxing because of PED's, and we should not trust them, should we not also distrust the Americans about their accomplishments over Western Europe? :deal

How is it possible that clean American athletes are out competing roided up world class Russian athletes in the olympics? Hard work and dedication? Or hard work and medication? :yep

Also every athlete pre 1990 was roided to the gills, this applies to all nationalities. The poor and or non-existent drug testing is to blame, and boxing has only recently had proficient drug testing, so it is silly to assume American athletes were clean in this sport. If you want to make a fair comparison of PED usage, you should look at results and medals taken away in competitions after the 1990's where drug testing became much more advanced.

 

As an aside, it looks like Rob Heffernan may get a medal from the last olympics,as the Russian will have the medal taken off him.

I don't really consider walking a sport but it'll be nice for Heffernan

 

You seemed to have missed the point. Can you present evidence showing that the US government actively participated in the doping and covering up of the doping of its athletes?

 

The United States government official do not do this, but its athletes KNOW very well that to compete against the PED riddled world, they too must take it. I wrote about this already, but you either did not read or did not comprehend. What Russia did was worse because officials were bribed, paid off and dined, on the other hand American athletes dope, but the officials do not turn a blind eye to this and do not allow it. It is actually much worse when you have officials being bribed, than officials being fooled. American athletes fool officials and circumvent the drug testing system, Russian athletes bribe their officials. At the end of the day it is both relatively the SAME thing.

 

lol Are you asking me? I don't know. If so, where's the evidence?

 

It is not the same thing. State sanctioned cheating and individual cheating is not the same thing.

 

It is not a state sanctioning thing, it is group sanctioning, it is not like Vladimir Putin was mandating this. It is the same thing, all athletes are doping, it is not just an individual thing, it is all and or many individuals. It is just different for both, American athletes dope their way without help from drug testing officials, Russian athletes need help from drug testing officials to pass the test. After this scandal Russian track and field athletes will have to follow WESTERN protocols to pass drug testing, since they will not be allowed to bribe officials anymore, they must rely on their own resources and their own coaches like what Western dopers do.

 

Oh? You think the Russian security services were involved and Putin didn't know about it? LMAO! None are as blind as those who will not see.

 

Vladimir Putin does NOT control everything and everyone. This is something far beyond what Putin is focused on right now, this is something done by third parties. Everyone has a job description in Russia, Putin is not going to focus on something as trivial as sports, he would rather focus on geopolitics and bombing the hell out of ISIS. Jesus people are blaming Putin for everything these days atsch Global warming, aids, SARS, Asteroids, wars, famine :yep

 

lol I guess Putin told you he wasn't involved. Look dude, I'm through. You can believe whatever helps you get to sleep at night.

 

And You probably think Michael Phelps can out swim and out class other world Class swimmers on steroids world wide including Russian swimmers without PED's right?

 

4 or 5 people is a huge sample size and where does it say in that video they read the NYT?

There are plenty of dumb people on both sides.

 

You have not answered my questions, what makes you think Petersons opponents and other boxing conpetitors are not doping as well? It is fairly obvious*World class American athletes are ON the juice, in order to compete with Russian athletes ON the juice as well. PED's are the tipping point, it can be the difference maker in the overall medal table. All boxers are taking some type of PED, which means those who have natural talents who are on PED's would OUTCOMPETE those without talents on PED.. it practically levels out the playing field.

Unless you are insinuating American athletes are so NATURALLY superior that they do not need PED's, while Russian Athletes are so bad that even with PED's they are inferior to Americans? Good luck explaining that one. Both the Russian Federation and the United States have world class athletics programs, it would be stupid to assume PED's
Wont be the difference maker statistically speaking.

You said Russian success in boxing is because of PED's, yet American success at the medal table is not because of PED's but hard work and dedication? You have to be logically consistent.