International Boxing Hall of Famers Who Never Won a World Title

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  1. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    Let's make a list of these fine pugilists. I'll start:
    Sam Langford
    Jimmy Bivins

    Ready, Set, Go!
     
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any Murderer's Row fighter would do.
     
  3. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most famous would be Charley Burley.
     
  4. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    Good point! I agree.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I assume we’re not counting the non-combatants like Sylvester Stallone or ring announcers or trainers or boxing journalists, etc.?
     
  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's gonna be a very long list - more than 40 "Pioneers" alone, and in total around 80.
     
  7. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    That would be a very cool boxing activity for one day (or maybe weeks haha) but for now, yeah, I'm only interested in the pugilists.
     
  8. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    You're absolutely right. But man, just think what great fun that task would be for a boxing historian.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Packey McFarland is the greatest fighter to never receive a title shot.
     
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  10. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jim Driscoll has to be mentioned.
     
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  11. RightLeftCombo

    RightLeftCombo Active Member Full Member

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    Iirc, Laszlo Papp, the great Hungarian who won 3 Olympic gold medals and who wasn't allowed to box for the world title by the authorities in the Eastern Bloc communist era is in the IBHOF.

    Deservedly so, I think.
     
  12. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not as big a task, as one might think!

    All three categories, "Pioneer", "Old Timer", "Modern" are listed alphabetically... so all you have to do, is scan down the lists of names, and pick out those who never won a world title. If I have counted correctly, it comes to this:

    Pioneer: 41
    All but Paddy Duffy and John L. Sullivan of the 43 listed.

    Old Timer: 32
    Jimmy Barry
    Eddie Booker
    George KO Chaney
    Joe Choynski
    Les Darcy
    Jim Driscoll
    Mike Gibbons
    Tommy Gibbons
    George Godfrey
    Len Harvey
    Leo Houck
    Peter Jackson
    Joe Jeannette
    Jake Kilrain
    Sam Langford
    Charles Ledoux
    Packey McFarland
    Sam McVey
    Billy Miske
    Charlie Mitchell
    Pedro Montanez
    Memphis Pal Moore
    Kid Norfolk
    Billy Petrolle
    Wesley Ramey
    Dave Shade
    Tom Sharkey
    Jeff Smith
    Young Stribling
    Lew Tendler
    Sid Terris
    Harry Wills

    Modern: 7
    Jimmy Bivins
    Charlie Burley
    Billy Graham
    Cocoa Kid
    Lloyd Marshall
    Lazlo Papp
    Holman Williams
     
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  13. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti A Being of Inexplicable Inclinations Full Member

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    It depends who counts as champion. I think Jimmy Barry has a much better claim to having been world champion than Paddy Duffy. I'd argue Jem Mace had a far better claim too.
     
  14. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't we usually go with BoxRec for these kinds of questions? Not necessarily saying they are "right" - but it's easier that way, when a statistical question (like this one) comes up. Whenever there's a question about who fought/beat the most world champions or something like that, I think there's an unspoken agreement, that we're talking about champs recognized by BoxRec.

    Like when we're talking about HOFers. Here there's obviously some kind of agreement, that we mean IBHOF - and not that other organization.

    And when we're discussing world champs, we mean "the big 4" - without having to say so.
     
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  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti A Being of Inexplicable Inclinations Full Member

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    Jimmy Barry is recognised as a lineal champion by CyberBoxingZone and Wikipedia though.

    I don't see much reason to go off the boxrec page, what that lists as title bouts seem pretty unreliable and arbitrary.

    Boxrec doesn't count bareknuckle fights either, so talking about bareknuckle boxers in this decussion, while basing it on Boxrec, becomes a bit silly
     
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