International Boxing Hall of Famers Who Never Won a World Title

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  1. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As said, BoxRec has not patented the "truth" - it's just the easy way to go.

    Can you imagine, if every time a "champion" question comes up, we should argue about whether or not Norton should be considered a world champion (or Barry or Duffy - or several others who may or may not have a claim)? Some will even argue, that we don't really have any champions today (unless they have unified all 4 belts).

    Also IBHOF have some weird inductees - but whether or not we feel it's deserved, we count them if someone asks a HOF question. It is what it is, and has (in many cases) nothing to do with "worthiness". It's just innocent trivia.
     
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  2. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    Oh my gosh, thank you so much for making this!
     
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  3. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    @Bukkake Technically speaking, is Jim Mace's name etched in boxing history as an official world champ of any kind or any weight class? Technically speaking, do such pioneers as Mace who came before Sullivan not count as champions of the world OR are bare-knuckle and modern simply two separate categories of world champions acknowledged accordingly?

    Recently I actually pondered the question of whether pioneers went down as official world champs! The way I've always understood things is that starting with John L. Sullivan, everyone who follows him went down in boxing history as an official heavyweight world champion; but Jem Mace was very successful way before Sullivan even, from welterweight to heavyweight.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Ken Norton never won one. He was gifted a title and lost it shortly after.

    I dont think Gatti was ever lineal.
     
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  5. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Member Full Member

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    Yes! Norton was a paper champ but technically a champ so for me he won one; but I see what you mean.
     
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  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've been on it for the past 4 years. Book will be out next year.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Naah he could have fought the top Yanks in Vienna but preferred the 2nd and 3rd raters.
    Great amateur, if you believe he truly was one?
    imo Harry Mallin was as good an amateur, he won 2 Olympic middleweight titles the same as Papp ,though Papp also won the light middleweight gold.The thing is Mallin had a full time job as a policeman and Papp was state sponsored.
     
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    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  9. Surrix

    Surrix Member Full Member

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    Facts are facts, he was 3 times Olympic Gold medalist. If was in prime shape, most likely competed in next games too, not in pro ranks.
     
  10. RightLeftCombo

    RightLeftCombo Active Member Full Member

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    Papp lived under the Communist regime so will have been 'state sponsored' and well-looked after as a amateur, I presume, yes. The same powers denied him the shot at the professional world title years later.

    The Olympics tournaments were of a better boxing standard with deeper fields in Papp's day than in Mallin's, imo.

    Laszlo Papp won 3 golds at two weights over an eight year span and barely lost a round, so he was greater as an Olympian than Harry Mallin, with respect to Harry.
     
  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Are Mickey Roucke or Mickey Ward there? Maybe Lenny.:thinking:
     
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    Songshadow Dogged & Relentless Full Member

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    Tevin Farmer

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  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Baby Arizmendi really should be there.