Introduction+Walker vs. Robinson at welter.

Yes, it's indeed a fine fantasy pairing you've introduced yourself with in this thread, not something lending itself to a conveniently simple answer for many, but requiring some thoughtful deliberation.

Most of us have already seen this, Mickey boxing with a retreating style we might not have believed him capable of if it hadn't been captured on film, continually catching his pressing challenger coming in. (Robinson had to carry Fusari, and Walker had to carry the Nebraska Wildcat.)

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I think Walker could beat him. Style advantage and he had the "p4p" talent to compete.

 

D, it's true Robinson carried Charley Fusari, who I saw flatten a new
sensation of Jack Hurley,named Vince Foster. Robbie toyed with Charley Fusari.
But I never heard before that Mickey Walker "carried " Ace Hudkins, the
Nebraska Wildcat. Ace Hudkins was an 'animal", and would have CHASED
Charley Fusari, out of the ring...Hudkins was as tough a fighter as any
fighter that ever lived...He ruined the promising career of the young
East Side sensation Ruby Goldstein...William Muldoon,who trained John L
Sullivan,and later on in the 1920s, was NYS Boxing Commisioner, called
Ace Hudkins a "Neanderthal Man ". Ace was TOUGH !

 

You're right Burt. Walker absolutely did NOT carry Ace Hudkins. Ace was a dangerous contender whom many thought BEAT Walker in their initial encounter. So Mickey took him with the utmost seriousness. He realized that slugging was playing right into the Nebraska Wildcat's game, so being the great fighter he was he adjusted and played matador.

 

Surf-I am prejudiced in favor of the rough and tough Ace Hudkins. My dad and uncle were neighborhood fans of the sensational phenom that was young Ruby Goldstein.They saw him from an amateur to his rise as a great
boxer-punching pro, who Nat Fleischer called the"hardest hitting lightweight since Aurelio Herrara".Ruby kod or dropped everyone of his opponents, and then he met Ace Hudkins.In the 1st round Goldstein hit
the young bulldog with his laser right hand,dropping Hudkins on his back.
But to Ruby's amazement Hudkins got up and in the next round,kod Ruby Goldstein for his first loss.My dad and uncle bet all their dough on
Goldstein,and went home weeping for their fallen idol...But because of
Hudkins toughness they gained great respect for the Nebraska Wildcat.
There were none tougher than Hudkins,including Jake LaMotta...b.b.

 

Yes, he ruined Ruby. The guy was never the same fighter afterward but went on to become quite a prolific referee. Ace competed successfully from lightweight on up to heavyweight, eventually winning the California Heavyweight Championship. He lost it on a decision to Lee Ramage at the end of his career.

I read that Benny Leonard was very offended by Ace's savagery in the ring and threatened to make a comeback just to beat him. This is when Ace, Sammy Mandell, Ruby Goldstein, Sid Terris and all those other fighters were battling to see who would be "Benah's" successor.

 

Surf-,interesting that you use the term " Benah ", when you mentioned
the great lightweight Benny Leonard. This appellation was given to Benny, by Budd Schulberg,author of'The Harder They Fall ", who I met at a boxing seminar,,a year before Schulberg died. Yes, the great " Benah ",indeed...

 

Having this one scheduled for the championship distance may have led to a stoppage, as many ringside reports say Hudkins was taking something of a battering.

Mickey himself openly admitted carrying opponents, and I have read published accounts in the past claiming that this was the case in the Hudkins rematch. (My printed sources are buried in storage at the moment. Interestingly, they seem to be absent from the internet, just as Jack Sharkey's later life moniker, "The Squire of Epping" [New Hampshire] is. [That was a very well known nickname of Jack's during the 1970s, one repeated on network television, yet I alone am the only current source providing this nickname on Google.])

For him to consistently retreat on any middleweight, even Ace, when we have film of him going after a prime Sharkey, seems to strain credulity a bit. However, I'm perfectly willing to concede that such an allegation could have been surreptitiously planted to sensationalize Walker, even by Mickey himself, and have no problems with anybody stating that he did not carry Hudkins.

The chief interest of mine here has been for our new friend Bomber to see a first rate Mickey in action, and having a reply that "Walker is a lot better than I thought even" is most satisfying feedback, mattering infinitely more than the question of whether or not Hudkins was carried in their rematch.

 

Beat the drum for a duodenum blog!

 

You could also ask 'who is the worst fighter Walker lost to at 147 and 160'. People also forget Robinson started his career as a LW

Robinsons movement and speed would be far too much for Walker here, who had problems with the slicker operators. Hes also likely not near his prime at WW and some say drained in some of his fights

 

Not at all. I selected it with some careful and humorous deliberation.

Duodenum is a funny sounding word I have always enjoyed hearing (I worked in a hospital for a number of years), and the very few people who are aware I post on ESB (mainly family members) always burst out laughing when they find out I use it here. This particular nom de guerre conveys that the dissemination of opinions and information I convey are not necessarily to be taken too seriously. People here got the message right away. Some posters chose pseudonyms which suggest self aggrandizement, others use names which are more self effacing. The latter is more my temperament.

Right away, posters greeted me as "Duo," and that abbreviation grew on me instantly. (Folks here frequently have trouble spelling Duodenum, so "Duo suits me fine.)

Occasionally, I will post a deliberately absurd and facetious composition or outrageous rant of mock volatility, usually in the Lounge, invariably causing attention to be drawn to the name I've selected for myself, a source of considerable amusement.

 

Well Duo,you certainly have intestinal fortitude !