Irish Boxing

why:huh

 

They expressed concern at some of our top amateurs being picked away to fight in the World Series of Boxing

that wont effect grass roots but would have more of an effect on the elite level of amateur boxing

for example if London get a franchise they need to have atleast 4 foreign boxers I would imagine they wouldnt mind snapping up some of our boys.

and the fact that these lads will be getting gaurenteed money for the next three years makes it VERY appealing to them

 

i wouldnt knock anyone for going- nor am i being negative about the surge at grass roots-im just pointing out its not all rosey!! its somthing to be aware of! if you say kenny daz and paddy barnes are responsible in part for the surge then the worry is they wont be in ireland to inspire as many fighters in the future???

the series infact sounds exciting to me...

 

I'll qoute Freddie Roach "I believe in my heart of hearts that Bernard Dunne should move up a weight. I am 100 percent on that"...ill take freddie's word..Vazquez also said similar..

If Dunne does move up he can claim " i was at the wrong weight " and its easier to market then??he can get big fights quicker-plus by all accounts he could get cruz anytime he wanted.!

i would love him to beat the bin man and kiko!!! do ya think they would sell out the point???

 

Freddie Roach might be a great trainer but I wouldn't put any weight in what he says about Dunne moving up. Chances are he's seen very little of him in the last few years. He certainly hasn't seen him in the gym or doing conditioning work or any of the basic stuff fighters do year round when they are not fighting. Its just a general statement not founded on anything.

If Dunne moves up his punch resistance will be practically zero. I actually think the trade off regarding power in his punches will work against him. I think the minor improvemment he gets will be negeated by top class FW's ability to absorb shots.

I certainly don't think he's been found out at SBW. He got banjoed by a very good fighter. Lots of people suffer knockout defeats especially in tough divisions. As I said before in a piece I wrote, if he bides his time the SBW division will be wide open in 18 months time roughly. All he needs to do is keep the fire lit until then. He doesn't need to do anything mad.

This talk of a move up to FW and a crack at world titles. Lads, think about if for a minute and answer me this. How many of these lads would you be very confident of Dunne beating.

FEATHERWEIGHT

At EBU Level:
Lindsay, Simpson, Appleby
At fringe World Level
Solis, Salido, Dib
World Level:
John, Gamboa, Leuvano, Cruz, Marquez, Vasquez, Caballero, Juanma

SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT

EBU Level:
Booth, Munroe, Maludrottu
Fringe World Level:
Eduardo Garcia, Lontchi, Medina
World Level:
Molitor, Cordoba, Bautista, Escalante, Poonsawat, Nishioka, Mathebula, Mtagwa


People seem to be spouting off that Dunne should move up to FW because its the popular thing to say at the minute. Theres no real thought going into the consequnces of him moving up to FW to campaign.

Theres 14 opponents there in each division. Really, how many do people see Bernard being capable of winning.

I have him losing 10 of the 14 at FW. I'd give him a shout against Lindsay, Simpson, Appleby and Dib. I think the other 10 beat him without too much trouble (with maybe the expception of Cruz)

However, at SBW, I have him in with a shout against everyone bar Poonsawat.

I mean from where I am standing it's not rocket surgery. Staying at SBW is the way to go if he wants to achieve anything.

If he just wants to pocket a few quid I'm sure they could hype a fight against someone big in the FW division and sell the Irish angle in the media. Then he can go to the states and get wiped out, ****ed up and embarrased and pick up a nice cheque. But I sincerly hope thats not what hes after

 

anyone going to the fights tonite


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...on-sets-sights-on-british-title-14569944.html

 

I'm not being hard on him for being mauled by a very good poonsawat, being knocked out and coming back from it stronger is the making of many a great fighter. I think he has been found out at SBW because of how the thai just walked through bernards punches - when he decided to trade he hit him with a number of good shots but the thai was unaffected. Your 18months down the line list of top SBW's isn't that scary to look at no, but if one of those guys comes at Bernard hell for leather can he actually hurt them and drive them back across the ring with the power he has now? He could certainly beat any of them in a pure boxing contest but what if he actually has to fight?

Thats why I raise the FW question, at least with a bit more zip in those punches he could do what he does best and box. Although the 18months down the line featherweight list is **** scary, even though it could be without Vasquez and Marquez who will have surely killed each other by that time!!

BTW Bam, I remember reading that article, really enjoying it and agreeing with everything you said in it at the time!! But does he have the 18months at his age and with his retirement plan to kick off in what, 2 years time to achieve again at SBW? And if so who do ye guys think he should fight in the meantime? I don't think he should step back to EBU level

 

Bernard was never a massive puncher and never will be. Hopefully McGurn has put something more into his punches but we will need to see what Bernard does in his next couple of fights.

Anyway, that aside, Poonsawat has a very hard head. He'd walk through shots from a lot heavier punchers than Bernard.

I think, at FW, Bernard still won't have the power to back the best of the division up and he will be even more open to getting KO'ed. The division is full of knockout artists where as SBW is not. None of the lads I mentioned have massive KO ratios really.

Time is a big factor. Does he have 2 years to wait? He should, he's had a relatively light workload and hes still only 29 (about to turn 30). He should be able to fight on until 32-33 without too much hassle.

I'd take a couple of euro level fights at SBW and wait to see what happens. Things will start to become more clear even from tonight onward. We'll see who wins Munroe - Maladrottu and then within a reasonably short space of time we should see what the winner of that fight intends to do.

Immediately that will give Bernard an clearer picture of the division without him having to make a move first.

Personally speaking I think a Munroe win is good for Dunne tonight. I don't think Munroe has the balls to go face Nishioka if he wins this elminator so a fight with him for the EBU title (and a good world ranking) wouldn't be out of the question.

I think if Maladrottu wins then he takes the shot at Nishioka. That would probably mean him vacating. That would, I'd imagine, leaving Bernard having to fight Booth in an eliminator for a fight with Munroe for the vacant strap which is probably two risky fights for not a lot of reward for a fighter on the comeback trail. At least a quick matchup with Munroe could get him a belt against a still unbeaten fighter and a jump in the world rankings.

 

Does Bernard and peters still have the power to pull any of those fights to the O2?

I presume any Munroe fight would take place in the UK?

 

dunne will never fill the o2 again on his own . he will need someone like duddy , lee or macklin in a big title fight i would say

 

Never say never. Get Bernard another world title shot and he'll fill it without any kind of undercard. However, in the meantime, he won't come close to filling it alone.

 

Yep he probably could do it to most of them.
Poonsawat being the main exception, he has the best chin of the lot and is probably the hardest puncher aswell.

IMO he'd do it to the 3 European level guys, he's a harder puncher by far than all of them and while they all have decent chins Booth has never had to deal with the Power of that size of a man at that quality before. Above Flyweight Booth has been dealing with non punching domestic level guys, not to put down his ability and achievements.

Munroe and Maludrottu aren't punchers and if they went gun ho against Bernard they'd find themselves being hammered with left hook after left hook and I just can't see them walking through that.

At Fringe level: Sergio Medina is a mental mess and hasn't fought in a year since being destroyed by Lopez. He's one fighter I thought Dunne would beat before Cordoba. Medina's a pretty average puncher and while he has enough zip to hurt Dunne, if he were to charge in against Dunne, it's more likely Medina would be the one getting shook up. Medina's not chinny, but you can get to him and Cordoba for instance has a better chin and is a much better fighter.

Lontchi is a natural counter puncher, he's not a massive puncher and he can be hurt himself. He wouldn't commit himself to wading in after Dunne unless hurting him beforehand.

Eduardo Garcia probably would go in all guns blazing, he has a decent chin and better power than an 19(8) record would suggest. But naturally he's even smaller than Poonsawat(although taller), he's easier to hit, easier to control with the jab and he's easier to hurt. He doesn't punch nearly as hard as the Thai either. I think for the most part he'd be picked off and Dunne could definitely hurt him.


As for the World level guys(because I can't be arsed going through them individually, he could definitely hurt Molitor, Cordoba(he's proved that), Nishioka, Bautista and Escalante(Antonio's actually got a good chin but his defense his crap and he walks onto big shots, thus he can get hurt, as shown in his single loss).

Poonsawat he's shown he can't hurt, at least not early in the fight before fatigue sets in, and the others we don't know but could probably assume it's unlikely he'd hurt them

This of course doesn't reflect which ones he'd beat merely which ones he can hurt. But one thing to think about is if Caballero moves up Steve Molitor will be fighting for the vacant title. While that'd be a very dangerous fight for Dunne I don't think anyone here should doubt his ability to win that fight, and he'd be the bigger puncher in there too......with potentially(and this bit is rare for Bernard) the guy with the better chin.

 

You guys must all be from dublin thats why you vastly overate bernard dunne. bernard hasnt got 1/2 the talent of andy lee. bernard has done great for boxing in ireland and i always watch him but at the end of the day he was lucky very lucky.

 

A good synopsis there on Dunnes power from BigEars. Basically he's in with a shout with almost everyone on the SBW list

His prospects are so much better at SBW if he has the patience to hang in there for a little while and not go chasing anything silly. And also if he can make weight properly.

 

No your well wrong there, I dont like all the sniping that Lee gets on this forum but at the moment he is just short of world class but I expect him to bridge that gap next year, whereas Dunne is world class now and with the right breaks could win another version of the title.