Irrefutable proof Jones and Hopkins ducked Calzaghe in their prime

Really, can you remember which ones?

The answer to his question was simple:

He was a relatively unknown fighter, fighting in a different country, at a different weight.

After he'd beaten Will McIntyre in Denmark on the Tyson-Nielson card, he stated that he wanted to fight Roy and Bernard.

Look who he fought after McIntyre:

Brewer
Jiminez
Pudwill (late replacement for Tate)

He was never going to get Roy. But it was all nonsense anyway. Because he would never have fought Roy. Just 2 years prior to fighting McIntyre, he said he wasn't chasing Roy and he didn't want tough fights. Which is quite clear when you look at his resume. Then just a few years later, he said he thought he could give Roy his greatest fight but he'd want the "Crown Jewels" due to the risk. Yet nobody was ever going to pay him huge money, because before he fought Lacy in 2006, he was relatively unknown outside of Europe. He'd been shown on Showtime 5/6 times, but he didn't make a good first impression in his wins over Thornberry and Starie. And although it was understandable he'd have wanted huge money for Roy, he was only getting around £700,000 in some of his fights. But again, I don't think he'd ever have fought Roy. A guy who's content to defend a lightly regarded title 21 times, doesn't want the best fighter on the planet at the weight above. If you look at his resume, his intentions were clear from the outset. He was an absolutely tremendous fighter, but he lacked ambition. The call outs in the magazines and the post fight interviews were all phony.

 

what would ya know

 

I'd have fancied Joe in his prime at this stage.

 

Mate, I'm sorry I haven't replied to your PM's.

I've been very rude.

I promise I'll reply soon.

They were really great, a real pleasure to read.

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bailey,

Tell me the mandatories that I've missed mate.

Seriously, that's what we're here for.

If I'm mistaken, I'll hold my hands up.

I'd be really interested to know.

I'm only referring to his WBO title defences.


What do you mean I've failed to note his fights with Woodhall, Starie, Lacy and Kessler etc?

We all know about those guys.

Those fights speak for themselves. He fought some good fighters in those 21 defences. But he also fought some poor fighters. And yes, everyone does. But I don't think there'd be many fighters of Joe's ability, who would have been content to fight some of the guys that he did in his position.

Yes, I know that some of his opponents were late subs. But his original opponents were hardly great fighters.

The Manfredo fight perfectly highlights how his career played out. It was probably the most embarrassing fight of his career. A great fighter like Joe being made to fight a guy from a reality TV show, at 34, to boost his profile in the U.S. It was degrading.

Again, tell me who they were.

I'm genuinely interested. Because I can only name 5 for definite.

I'm not interested in Ward. His circumstances were completely different. He had the luxury of the Super Six and was known throughout the world. Joe was in obscurity for most of his career. The U.S. fans and media didn't know him that much until he'd thrashed Lacy in 2006.

It doesn't matter if Andre didn't have any mandatories. We're focusing on Joe, and we're looking into why he didn't fight better opposition in the early part of his career.

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No worries Loudon. Always nice catching up with you anyway :good

Have fun on here!

 

Wtf are Hopo and Rojo's still claiming Calzaghe wasn't ducked ?

The problem is, Americans ring fence their fighters, they allowed them to coast through years and years of fighting hypejobs and bums who are American, but then say everyone else is unknown. Like Roy Jones didn't know who the fellow champion from the UK was, the same champion who flattened ring legend Chris Eubank, the same champion who was showing insane handspeed greater than his own, and the same champion who was causing waves through Europe a much bigger audience than America. I guess Roy Jones was more taken by the prospect of fighting cab drivers and looking sensational while juicing than taking on fellow unbeaten champions to grab belts and create a decent legacy.

We all know Jones ducked Joe, we all know Hopkins did the same, and we all know Joe handily beat them both when they thought he was shot, old and blown up, thus justifying their early career ducks when he was prime.

 

joe was unknown in the UK tillyoung dumb ameribum lacy came along.

how does one claim joe was unknown, if you dont actually know him?

 

What drunken babble is this now atsch:tired lolz

Calzaghe defeated 31yr old prime ring legend Eubank even dropping Chris in round 1 which never happened in his career, it was mean't to be easy work for Chris but Calzaghe proved himself the legend killer long before i wrecked Hop and Rjj.
The world knew who he was when he beat Eubank, Jones took note, Hopkins doubled his purse demands and backed out and that is all there is to it.

It's ridiculous Joe faces such subjective bigotry because of his skin tone, ethnicity and Rjj a steroid cheat is given a free pass to fight bums his entire career.:tired:dead

 

atschatsch

once again - how can you claim you dont know joe, if you can use his name? i dont get that. surely if you can name him then you must know him.

 

Time to lay off the sherry old timer, you are an incoherent babbling mess again atschatsch:roll::nono

 

Dont waste time on Herol. He really is clueless.
I used to give his drivel time and then he started following me around like a stalker. No sooner would I post and Herol would spring up instantly after. It all became a bit disturbing :dead

 

He truly is a pathetic grub

Ive barely read a single one of his posts

I suggest everyone else do the same

Ignore the boring **** and he'll eventually either **** off or kill himself