Irrefutable proof Jones and Hopkins ducked Calzaghe in their prime

bailey,

Omar Sheika wasn't a mandatory, but I missed Rick Thornberry. I was only looking at his WBO mandatories, so Bika doesn't count. So unless I've forgotten anybody, it's 6. And it doesn't really matter. My point still stands.

He defended a lightly regarded belt 21 times, and the majority of those defences were voluntaries.

Despite what you say, an ambitious fighter who seriously wanted the best would not have done that.

Everyone knows what his intentions were.

His resume speaks for itself, and we have Frank W praising him by saying that he was the greatest talent he ever worked with, but also noting that he didn't believe in himself enough and he was happy to fight guys like Freeman Barr.

I know you followed his career like I did, so you'll know that he often complained of making weight and wanting career defining fights. Yet in his early 30's, he was fighting guys such as: Mkrtchyan, Salem and Ashira.

Nobody else who was as great as Joe spent 14 years at SMW.

The fact that he never moved up to LHW and went to the U.S. until his 15th and final year as a pro, speaks volumes.

You have no argument.

He said in 1999 that he didn't want tough fights, and defending the WBO 21 times validates that.

Again, I count 6.

Again, I was focusing on his 21 WBO defences which highlights his lack of ambition.

It's admirable how you defend him, but at the end of the day, we can access his resume in a matter of seconds, and we have comments from Joe himself, as well as his father and Frank W.

He was not an ambitious fighter.

An ambitious fighter does not spend 14 years at SMW, defending a lightly regarded title, when there were better potential fights at LHW.

He beat the fighter who went on to beat Liles a few years later.

Herol was way past his best.

Nardiello and Tate weren't great fighters.

He went on to beat Reid, and the Eubank win was great for him and a very good win overall.

Once again, he beat a fighter who would go on to beat Liles.

Woodhall was a good fighter and I rate that win a few years later.

Tate wasn't a great fighter.

Yes, Sven didn't want to know. At which point there was no point in hanging around.

An ambitious fighter who couldn't unify due to boxing politics would move up. Especially when they struggled to make weight and there were better fighters in the above division. That's obvious.

I've told you many times that when Sven shut the door in his face, there was nothing left at the weight. Again, Lacy and Kessler weren't on the scene at that point.

What more proof do you need?

He knew he couldn't unify against Sven, but instead of moving up, he remained where he was.


These are the Ring ratings from 2003:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2003


Again, he couldn't fight Sven, (through no fault of his own) and he'd already beaten Brewer, Mitchell and Reid.

Up at LHW there was Roy and Dariusz etc.

No it doesn't.

Again, a guy who was ambitious, who wanted the biggest possible fights out there, would not have stayed in Britain/Europe in his 30's, to fight guys like: Mkrtchyan, Salem, Ashira and Veit etc.

You are kidding yourself.

The evidence is there for all to see.


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Anglosaxon,

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Who the hell bumped this thread?

 

Louden needs to understand that comments by Calzaghe and his father were to ensure there were no repeats of money grabbing back outs from Americans like Hopkins.

Joe wanted to unify, no-one else would unify until Kessler came along. Joe smashed to pieces every fighter that would step in with him and has a long list of champions as his scalps. Why would he move up to LHW when there were no names there at all.

It came to light that Joe even offered the cobra Froch a fight and was refused, when you look at the people who ducked Joe, from Jones, Hopkins all the way back to Collins, Froch and Toney, it's astonishing and a real shame all those aren't on his resume.

 

Why don't you just **** on yourself and then flush your sorry ass down the toilet green teeth.

 

I love how insecure I make you. Model vs forumite lolz.
In the 3yrs you been here actively posting away daily and me once a year, I am still more popular than you, you have zero reputation I am a legend around here. You don't even have a pic that is how horrific you are!:tired:hey:dead:dead:-(hi::tong

 

What a ****en ****head.:rofl

Nobody respects you and you sure as hell ain't popular, lol... You don't even know boxing green teeth.

 

My teeth are pearly white, yours are missing lolz, no one knows you though, everyone knows me, i rarely ever come on here but my name is etched into the memories of forumites due to my destruction of many forumites, my career accomplishments, my gravitas when speaking on all topics and the fact is when I talk, people listen just like you are drawn to me.

You my chubby little friend are another statistic to me:deal you think by defying me and a little half hearted posturing is enough to finally release you from obscurity you are mistaken, you will remain in the shadows even after this thrashing you have taken for the last few pages on here.

Fortunately for you Headbanger hasn't been on yet, but when he does he will inflict trauma and long term psychological damage as he is more sadistic than I am, I have mellowed down somewhat.

I would advise slunking off into your bedsit, comb the few strands of hair you have left and break out a Kraft dinner and forget about this site before things get worse for you nono:smooch

I have to get ready for a prehistoric like gym routine, cia:hi:

 

Go brush them gapped out green teeth you *** ass ****sucker.

 

wow didn't know joe only made 6 mandos in his entire 21 fight WBO reign, that's incredibly underhand. No wonder he ruled the corrupt wbo smw belt for a decade.

And two of those mandos were Veit.... twice! So its more like 4 respectable defences. HOw appalling. I cant think of anyone who offers such a poor return.
And rick thornberry was a mando!!

No wonder hes been surpassed by Froch, Ward and the like, with more on the way.

 

Look, we know you're trolling, and some of your posts are absolutely hilarious.

Fair play to you.

On a serious note, an ambitious guy wouldn't have struggled to make weight and remained in a division when he knew full well he couldn't unify against Sven Ottke. When he knew he couldn't unify due to politics, he should have moved up to LHW to try and fight better fighters in a stronger division. Yet he didn't. And that was before guys like Kessler were around.

Instead of pursuing guys like Roy, Dariusz and Tarver etc, he stayed and fought Mkrtchyan, Ashira and Veit etc.

You and Bailey can say whatever you want. But in the real world, an ambitious fighter who hasn't had a career defining fight, does not fight a guy like Kabary Salem when he's in his 30's.

 

The WBO were a joke.

An absolute laughing stock.

Yes, they ordered Joe to rematch Veit in 2005, even though he'd knocked him out in a single round in 2001.

Then there's the Darrin Morris incident which I'm sure you know about. Morris sadly died, but was then MOVED UP their rankings.

atsch

 

A Kraft dinner.

:rofl


Bring back Headbanger.

 

Depends on the circumstances. Maybe he didn't truly believe he was a real LHW? Maybe he felt remaining champ at 168 would increase his chances of attracting a big name opponent?

Golovkin is in a similar position right now imo.

 

golovkin is a differentcase, he unified well before joe AND is defending unified titles.
By comparison joe was stuck with wbo title defences at the same age as 3G and hiding behind an early the wbo title IS NOT a way of attracting a big name opponent. Seriously its way of avoiding big names, not attracting them.

3G is well ahead of joe, although to be fair most long term titlists boxers were well ahead of him.