Irrefutable proof Jones and Hopkins ducked Calzaghe in their prime

Look you Dennis Nielsen wannabe stalking weirdo c u n t look at what you want , I ain't never meaningly checked any guys profile on here purposely you I'm afraid are strange
Dream of doing what you want this place is full of diluted down type Hatton hammers like yourself you colossal drivelling sp u n k skip
Mums out go and throw your self round the living room rent boy

 

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it would seem that team elite is still undefeated

 

This thread has turned into a classic Team Elite demolition of minions. Look at all the hungry dawgs trying to be first to a crumb of delicious Team Elite pie.. Haha

 

lol @ fartsnorklers

 

Good old times Mind Reader :cheers:

Hope they go after jockstrap master and run him off the board

 

I see more public floggings have taken place during the weekend.

Very enjoyable read and rather amusing seeing the frivilous efforts of the victims to regain some semblance of self esteem to no avail.

It's a shame the forum isn't like the old days in having embedded pictures etc, the massacres then were even more enjoyable, maybe not so much for the victims but for the onlookers it was brutally hilarious!

 

I remember when Team Elite intelligence would expose posters' hideous faces when they thought their pictures were locked and safe. Haha the good ole days.

Some of those guys were so shamed they never returned lol

 

calturdss cant take their own medicine, nevermind the argument they lost.

 

bailey,

Sorry for the late reply.

Omar Sheika wasn't a mandatory. He was sandwiched in-between Thornberry and Veit.

Yes, some of Joe's voluntaries were against good fighters.

My point is simple:

After speaking of his desire to chase down career defining fights and of his struggles to make weight, he fought a lot of voluntaries against fighters who were only decent at best.

As above.

So what if he beat the best who were willing to face him. Yes, he did. But that's not the point is it. The point is, when he couldn't get the fights he wanted at SMW like against Ottke, instead of moving up to bigger and better things at LHW, he remained at SMW with nothing on the horizon. We're not questioning his talent, we're looking at his ambition.

Yes, I know that. His comments over the years as well as his resume paints a very clear picture. If you want to celebrate him being the greatest SMW of all time, that's cool. But in my opinion, it was due to a lack of ambition that he's regarded as the greatest SMW of all time. I can't celebrate a guy of his talent fighting at SMW for 14 years.

What does it say to you that he was happy to fight a guy like Freeman Barr?

This really makes me laugh. You've mentioned this a few times. This is like a default response for when I get on your nerves. Yes, I did follow his career. From 1997. I never admitted I was a casual. I was 17 back then and a huge fan.

I don't want to disrespect any fighters. You know that. But who did Mkrtchyan ever beat? You're kidding yourself. It's admirable how you defend Joe, but an ambitious guy who wants the best fights out there, doesn't fight guys like Mkrtchyan in their 30's. No, Kabary Salem wasn't a mandatory.

So they weren't there. Okay. Fine. But the U.S. was the biggest stage and LHW was better than the SMW division with bigger names in it. So would an ambitious fighter not have left SMW to try their hand at LHW?

Yes, it was a shame about Hopkins. But not getting Hopkins didn't mean he had to remain at SMW and fight guys like Mkrtchyan, Salem and Veit again.

Left me gagging?

No, I hold Joe to all of his comments and his resume. It's quite clear that although he was desperately unlucky with injuries etc, that he wasn't an ambitious fighter.

He wouldn't have passed up a fight with Roy? Anyone can say that in an interview when they knew it was never going to happen. Do you know how stupid that sounds?

Yeah, they were good fights. But it was Joe himself who made that statement in 1999.

You have a bigger agenda than anyone here. You defend Joe at all costs. If you think that a guy who fought the Salem's of the world in his 30's, really chased Roy, then that's up to you.

I was initially just looking at his WBO's defences. If you want to include Bika, that's fine. But it only weakens your argument and strengthens mine. As far as I'm concerned, Bika hasn't hadn't a noteworthy win in his career.

Anyone who genuinely wanted to fight the best fighters out there.

Different circumstances altogether. Froch isn't as big, and he had competitive fights and titles to fight for at the weight. Whereas, Joe struggled to make weight and was unable to unify with Ottke. Therefore, he should have moved up to LHW. Especially as the division was stronger.

What do you mean I don't know them?

Of course. But that's looking back in hindsight. Like I've told you many times, back in 2003, those guys weren't on the horizon. So how can you say that he was ambitious, when he remained at SMW whilst struggling to make weight, knowing that he couldn't fight for the WBA and the IBF belts? Many other guys who found themselves in similar situations moved up at that point.

Really? You can't see the huge difference in circumstances there?

No. They'd done nothing at that point. When Joe fought Mger Mkrtchyan he said there was nothing left for him at SMW.

Attempted to be made?

He had a lightly regarded title which nobody in the boxing world respected. He could make money? How much money was he making? From what I've read, he got about £700,000 for the Veit rematch.

Nobody is disputing that.

They may not have been in that order all year, but it would have featured the same group of fighters.

How is that relevant? They didn't fight because neither guy would travel. But Joe spoke of possibly fighting him at one point, and Frank spoke of Joe going over to Germany.

It doesn't matter. The point is: when he was in his 30's, he was still content to fight lower level guys even though he hadn't had a defining fight. Again, I don't believe Joe got big money for the Veit rematch.

Here is your evidence:

http://boxrec.com/boxer/5364


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Gneus7,

In my opinion, that was too random to have been fabricated. Again, Joe never denied any of what Frank had said in his interview that was given after their split. That speaks volumes to me.

His attributes?

His natural walking around weight was between 192-196 pounds.

He's 6ft.

His reach is 73"

He said in his autobiography that his ideal weight would be 175 pounds.

There was nothing remotely attractive about holding the lightly regarded WBO belt.

In what way is it silly?

He complained of making weight. He complained of never having had a career defining fight. When he fought Mkrtchyan in 2004, he said there was nothing left for him at SMW. Yet instead of moving up, he fought Veit again for a reported £700,000.

 

The circumstances are completely different:


Again, Joe struggled to make weight.

He only held the WBO belt which was lightly regarded at the time.

Sven Ottke held the IBF and the WBA belts and he wasn't interested in unifying with Joe.

The LHW division was stronger with bigger names in it.


GG doesn't struggle to make weight.

He has 3 of the 4 MW belts.

Although a big fight with Canelo looks unlikely at this stage, the door hasn't been completely shut in his face.

If he can lure BJS into a fight, he has the opportunity to claim all 4 belts.

If he can lure Jacobs into a fight, he has the opportunity to obtain every belt in the division.

Although SMW has some very good fighters, it's not significantly stronger than MW.


As it stands, GG can potentially have good future fights with Canelo, BJS, Jacobs and Eubank etc.

When Ottke wouldn't fight Joe in 2003, Joe had nobody of note to fight other than Beyer for the WBC belt.

I'm hopeful that GG can obtain those aforementioned fighters. But if he can't for whatever reason, then I will be the first person to insist that he moves up to SMW.

 

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