Is 168 (besides Kessler and Calzaghe) really better than 160?

top 6 vs top 6:
Calzaghe>Pavlik
Kessler>Taylor
Bute<Abraham
Lacy>Sturm
Miranda>Castillego
Mundine>Sylvester


no contest, really

 

See from which side of the Atlantic did the post origianate?:hey

 

Top suppermiddles

1. Calz
2. Kess
3. Bute
4. Mundine
5. Inkin
5. Froch
7. Bika
8. Lacy
9. Andrade
10. Jean Pascal

Miranda is now at SMW, so is Zuniga, Brahmer, Berrio, Tsypko, Manfredo, Stieglitz, Codrington, Green, Soliman, Direll. who fill out the top 20

at middleweight we have

1. Kelly Pavlik
2. Arthur Abraham
3. Jermain Taylor
4. Roman Karmazin
5. Felix Sturm
the rest of the names are even less worth mentioning then the 11-20 i mentioned for SMW

apart from the top 3 who, would IMO rank with the top 5-10 at SMW, the division is total ****. Roman Karmazin is good but he is small at MW.

Suppermiddleweight trounces middleweight

 

i do not get the ring, can someone put there top 10 middleweights and 168 up.

 

the top 6 of the supermiddle division is a lot better than the top 6 at middleweight. Middleweight has really been barren since Hagler/Leonard/Hearns/Duran/Barkley days.

Supermiddleweight was too, but right now it has a lot of talent. Middleweight had:

Hopkins- went to 175
Taylor- went to 168, and lost
Pavlik- good, young champion
Abraham- good, best win is a questionable victory
Sturm- overprotected

and who else? Sylvester? The fact that 40 yr old Castillejo is not only in the top 10, but that he won a belt shows the lack of depth at middleweight.

Super middle has:
Calzaghe- solidified as an atg
Kessler- great, young fighter, won two belts
Bute- great prospect
Lacy- ex titlist, young, has some solid victories
Miranda- i think will be much better w/o having to starve himself down to 160.
Froch- good prospect, unproven


plus guys who are one victory away from the top fights, like Bika, Codrington, Green, etc.

 

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thank you illmatic.
the ring rankings as they were last month ?
miranda moved up
i suppose i am more familiar with most of these than most

sturm is not really himself since his loss to castelljo .
it all started with him being booed for following corner instructions in his fight with masoe and he is only effective as a hit and move runner which he should get back to.


abraham is a lot lot better than many in america make him out to be.
he is actually better than he actrually looks in that his strength/will to win/ boxing skills/power are all a bit underatted and as a whole package he is a hard man to beat.

castilljo, is a good warrior and is rematching with carrera but is long in the tooth and i think carrera beats him.

syvester is a 5.7 powerhouse marvin hagler frame type that fights like cory spinks.

i exaggerate, he is an ok fighter/double arm guard/peekaboo jab and right cross style ,buit imo euro level only.

askainen is not a bad fighter /about 6.0 box fighter but once he was hit on the chin he had very poor recuperation powers and will not be a champ IMO.

carrera is the dark horse.
tall and long argie/good fundamentals/stays in the pocket and can fight from range/not great at any one aspect but good at lots.
decent top 10 fighter needs more exposure.


C C 48 Kelly Pavlik 32-0 (29)
1 1 130 Winky Wright 51-4-1 (25)
2 2 141 Arthur Abraham 24-0 (19)
3 3 229 Jermain Taylor 27-1-1 (17)
4 4 84 Edison Miranda 28-2 (24)
5 5 215 Felix Sturm 28-2-1 (12)
6 6 68 Javier Castillejo 61-7 (41)
7 7 116 Sebastian Sylvester 27-2 (13)
8 8 74 Amin Asikainen 22-1 (15)
9 9 10 Mariano Carrera 31-4 (22)
10 10 2 Randy Griffin 24-1-3 (12)

 

You forgot Allen Green. He's one of the most dangerous guys out there.

Forgive him for fighting like a ***** against Miranda. That **** won't happen again.

Either way, I agree with just about everything you say, but I'm not so sure Lacy is better than Sturm considering his injury.

We'll have to see though.

 

Pavlik could beat everyone in that division except for Kessler and Calzaghe, AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER.

He would also have trouble with Mundine.

Taylor is still a live dawg too and he something to prove.

 

Yep. 168 has seen titlists willing to step up to the plate i.e. Lacy and Kessler. They built themselves up, were undefeated, won two belts then fought the BEST opponent.

160 is full of fakes like Sturm and Abrahms. Good fighters but scared of becoming a somebody. You know, daring to be great.

Don't you think Lacy and Kessler could have lived off of the trash that Sturm and Abrahms are. I think they could. Instead they took real risks.

Maybe I'm being harsh as 160 has Taylor (a real fighter) and Pavlik (another real fighter). The only other real fighter was Miranda but god was his game whack.