Is '21-'22 Tyson Fury.....

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  1. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The best H2H heavyweight champion of all time????

    Power, unusual movement, solid beard, high ring IQ.....
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    God no :lol:
     
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  3. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who ya got?

    Ali?
     
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  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The short answer is no.

    Once again, we have to define terms. When some people say "great," they mean in some sort to hypothetical head to head sense. When boxing historians say "great," they mean in terms of what they accomplished in their era.

    As a head to head fighter, he has got to be up there, although this is much harder to judge, and I still don't think he beats Lewis. A couple of others would give him a good run. Evan Fields, prime Tyson, Forman...

    In terms of accomplishment...he is a ways off of breaking the top ten. Number one is out of the question. There are just a LOT of other heavyweight champs who have done more. Hell, there are guys who never won a belt who have done more.
     
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  5. scandcb

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    Fury has gone from being underrated to overrated very quickly.

    Lewis, Ali and others would beat him H2H.

    His record still isn't enough to crack the top 10 Heavyweight of all time either.
     
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  6. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why I asked H2H
     
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  7. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So he can never be a YES for you, no matter what he does rest of his career he can never be H2H #1?
     
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  8. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury gives Ali ALL SORTS of problems...Lewis too
     
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  9. scandcb

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    The answer is still no.

    Prime Lennox Lewis would beat him far more times than not.
     
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  10. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree.....

    But hey...

    Lewis's jab and right wouldn't land like you think they would and Lewis's chin wouldn't stand up to the power Fury has now
     
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  11. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I don't think any 1 fighter beats all the other ATG's, they are great for reason. They know how to fight, ring IQ, toughness, heart. You name it, ATG's have it. Would Fury be up there, H2H yes. Does he beat every ATG. no.
     
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  12. scandcb

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    What power? It took Fury multiple rounds to stop Wilder. Whyte is a journeyman.

    Lennox wouldn't freeze like Wlad did. He would go looking for Fury and probably knock him out.
     
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  13. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just can't think of many he doesn't is all
     
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  14. Jacques81

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    A 6'9 man dancing around him, those feints, the counters?

    Would be a rough fight for a 34 year old Lewis
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never say never, but what is he going to do to beat...

    Ali. Beat multiple acknowledged greats including Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Patterson, Norton, Moore, Foster...

    Louis. 25 defenses.

    Marciano: 49-0

    He's wasted too much with drug problems, long lay-offs, phone retirements, litigation, etc.

    I don't see a path unless he fights on until he is 40-41 and really makes the most of it, and he sure isn't talking that way, is he?

    POST SCRIPT: I am sorry, I now see you said H2H #1. Yeah, that is a much lower bar, but also much more subjective. If he stays in is and wipes out Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, and a good sting of others...I could see it. But again, I don't think it is going to happen.
     
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