Is Aaron Pryor really an ATG?

Even if he only had honey, that would've still been technically illegal.

 

the AA wins are tainted, even if not. Not an ATG

 

He's extremely overrated. Arguello was lighter and past it. Cervantes was waaay past it and on drugs. He wasn't proven enough. He's rated so high h2h and is similar to Pacquiao in some ways, yet Pacquiao is rated poorly in these forums h2h mostly cause Pacquiao has face better opposition and thus, there's more of a chance of looking bad against someone. Imagine Pacquiao beating a more past it, smaller than him version of MAB (and imagine Manny driking from the black battle) and going life and death with him, then beating him in a rematch, and that's it... I know where he would be rated by some people...

Sometimes this unproven guys like Pryor and McClellan that did good but not enough get overrated because of the what ifs. US people are biased when it comes to their fighters massively too. Those legendary nights documentaries don't help.

I just used Pacquiao as an example, no I'm not Filipino.

 

Could be water in a bottle Russ, but if you "heard" or read somewhere it contained an elephant, well, it had to contain an elephant

But i do agree it was very suss, and as 2sense says, anything mixed would be illegal. Trouble is we have exactly zero facts except that. Given his trainer's exploits don't help either.

But what do we do? Convict him with no genuine evidence and wipe the win? I can understand why some might, but i can't go that far. It's a tough one.

 

Some very good points here. Certain fighters definitely do benefit from a double standard, and Pryor is one of them IMO.

I think if anyone rates Pryor as better than Pacquiao, he's definitely overrating him.

 

I think present and VERY recent fighters are a bit underrated in here full stop. Some more than others, while of course some just aren't that good.

Cheers for taking over the debate with PP too. Very happy to hand it over at that point.

 

If someone said there was an elephant in there and that Pryor had a long addiction to said creatures and the one of the most crooked elephant trainers of all time was in the ring that night, it becomes just a little bit less ridiculous, yes?

 

Lewis said it was Ice Water and Perrier. Now did Pryor take a performance enhancer? If he did why take it prior to say the fight and not prior to round 14? Those first 13rounds meant all Pryor had to do was stay on his feet to win, yet they wouldnt want to boost performance pre-fight and risk it messing Pryors game up in the last 2rounds?

Now as a nutrionist I personally wouldn't give someone a stimulant or even dextrose mid rounds as without time to properly digest it could be give a more detrimental than positive effect, it could even make a fighters heart rate become unsteady and see him collapse. ESPECIALLY STIMULANTS

Pryor act like Pryor turned into a beast in Round 14, Pryor was a beast the whole fight long BUT when he saw Arguello hurt he turned up the pace and went for a KO thats what fighters do. Fighters always stay outside of their maximum workrate so they aren't punched out but when an opponents hurt you can throw caution to the wind

People really are desperate for conspiracies, especially when 1 of their hero's gets KO'd. Now I don't know if Pryor used stimulants but using it with 2 rounds to go didnt happen, if he used them he'd use them a good 30-60mins prior to the fight

 

I have always believed that Pryor took something, but I can't prove it.... I believed he did it before the fight started..... what we saw during the fight it was just probably a small dose of 'whatever' to keep him going for the last two rounds or so.

Pryor didn't want the fight to be a 15 rounds fight, he wanted 12 rounds only....that tells me that he wasn't confident at all fighting AA for 15 rounds.... he knew it wasn't going to be an easy night and he knew and his trainer knew that AA was tough in the championship rounds....

Pryor been addicted to drugs doesn't help his case.... and his trainer being a crock won't help him either... They both look guilty to me....

The good thing is that Arguello doesn't need Pryor at all on his resume.... on the contrary Pryor needs him badly because there is nothing of substance there that can make Pryor an ATG....

Pryor was a great boxer, but that isn't enough to be considered an ATG.... he falls short....

 

He's said it was a bunch of things. He's changed his story several times.

One time he said it was water and some sort of medicine, claiming Pryor had diarrhea before the fight. Even that would've been illegal, however.

 

Perrier is water

 

Um, no

More so if anything :rofl

 

He also said he didn't tamper with Resto's gloves too.

You believe him, right?

Well lets look at it like this.

He asks for the special bottle, the one he mixed.

Pryor comes out and fights an almost maniacal round this late in the fight.

Lewis is proven to have cheated in the same era.

Pryor becomes and/or was a drug addict.

Personally i cannot blame people regarding this victory as tainted. If you've read properly you will see i stop short of downright accusation, but i'd never criticise anyone for implying he likely cheated. You can't say he downright did, but you sure can muddy the waters.

Hell, Arguello himself still questions the guy, and he is on record somewhere saying Pryor's energy after the bottle went up to a suspect level.

 

He had already taken it between the first and second rounds as well. Whatever was in that bottle, he was on it the entire fight.

No one knows if he had drank from the bottle prior to the fight, very possibly he did as well.

 

1. Actually yes I do believe him about the bottle, he said he mixed it with ice water, which in itself gives an advantage

2. Except he fought most the fight like that, except for where he slowed to give himself a second wind. At the end he threw everything at Arguello to get the KO, you should only do that if you have someone hurt

Again the drug wouldnt even have enough time to take effect, there wouldnt be anyway to take a correct dosage (ie 1 that still works while not killing him)

3. Which doesnt mean he cheats every time, especially when his fighter is schooling, outworking and handling the other man

4. And so did Leonard and every HW from the 80s, they all cheated too right?

5. They are Arguello nutthuggers not giving Pryor credit plain and simple. Watch the rematch Pryor is simply cocky knowing he can do as he pleases

6. Your right Arguello is the first boxer to have an excuse for a loss