Is Age 23 "Green" for a fighter?

Clenelo had 40 plus fights, but the vast majority of them were tomato cans meant to build up his experience.

All you need to know is that 6-10 years later, and multiple divisions up, any version of Floyd would get battered and destroyed by an older more experienced Clenelo fighting in his natural weight class.

Smoke more copium.

 

Already a world champion

8 years as a professional

"Green"

 

Multi weight world champion.. "Green"

Lmao

 

The age of a fighter rarely matters, it's the condition of the fighter that is of actual importance. Muhammad Ali was shot at 36, yet Archie Moore was still one of the greatest fighters ever at that age. Same applies to Canelo, while far from a novice, he was clearly inexperienced at the truly elite level, his actual age doesn't really matter here. Canelo's best wins at the time were the shell of Mosley and a close one over Trout, which while certainly good wins, and maybe world class, can't really be called elite. There are examples of younger fighters being far more experienced at the elite level by the time they were 23.

Benitez at 21 had beaten Antonio Cervantes and Carlos Palomino, so despite being younger, he was clearly more experienced and proven against elite fighters when he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard.

Tony Canzoneri had beaten Johnny Dundee, Bud Taylor, Bushy Graham, Andre Routis and Benny Pass by the time he was 20, all of them were Champions at one point or another.

Muhammad Ali had defeated Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson by 23.
Joe Louis had beaten Max Baer, Primo Carnera, Jack Sharkey and James Braddock by 23.

I could go on, but I think I made my point clear.

 

Yet if Pacquiao beat the same version of Canelo you would be singing his praises and be hailing it as a great win.

The only time in history I've heard of a fighter with over a dozen championship fights being apparently green your logic is flawed my guy. And people in this thread have gave plenty you of examples to show why your logic is flawed aswell.

 

It goes without saying, that it all depends on the circumstances.

Every fighter is different.


Canelo wasn’t green in terms of fights.

However, he was certainly green against elite level fighters.


The best we ever saw of Mike Tyson and James Toney, were when they were in their early 20’s.

The best we’ve seen of Canelo, is when he was around 30.


Again, everyone is different.

Floyd put in a masterclass against Canelo, and apart from the absurd C-W, he deserves huge respect. But he didn’t beat a prime version of Canelo. Canelo wasn’t in his prime back in 2013.

 

Green against elite level competition.

 

Green against elite level competition.

 

Great post.

 

Trout was elite and Mosley had recently fought Pacquiao and Mayweather who were top P4P fighters in the sport. Yes Mosley wasn't at his best but if Mosley is a good enough opponent for the best fighters in the world, I would consider Mosley an elite/veteran opponent although not at his best of course.

 

I’ve never personally rated Trout, and Canelo barely beat him.

Shane was done.

They weren’t enough to prepare him for someone like Floyd.

Floyd deserves huge credit for the win. And especially at 36. But Floyd always had to do something silly back then, in order to take the shine off of a win. And that was obviously the C-W.


I tried to tag you in the Zhang thread with the lunatics. Ha!

I don’t know if I did.

Apparently, we’ve both been biased.

 

I think this sums it up for me Canelo wasn't "green" but not at his absolute peak either. I would say he was still a world class fighter who hadn't quite reached his "prime".

But again people also overlook Mayweather was nowhere near his best weight and was on the wrong side of 30.

 

23 is green. Yes.

No matter how good you are at 23, you will be better in the near future. So yes, it is green.